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Thomas Murin, Jr.
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- posted March 04, 2013 11:44 AM      Profile for Thomas Murin, Jr.   Author's Homepage   Email Thomas Murin, Jr.   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Enough. 3D isn't going anywhere. In fact, it never really has.

Stereoscopy photography dates back to pre-cinema days. When moving pictures were invented, 3D wasn't far behind. Alas, most, if not all stereoscopy silent movies are probably gone forever.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_3D_films_pre-2005#Pre-1952_films

3D continuted into the the talking era (1930's to 1940's) and gained in popularity with the 1952 release of Bwana Devil.

Since 1952, 3D has been in near constant use. The popularity of it has gone through ups and downs but filmmakers continued to use stereoscopy regardless.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_3D_films_pre-2005

Not to mention that stereoscopy has been in use in the medical field for decades.

The current advances in stereoscopy technology has ensured that 3D is here to stay. Permanently.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_3D_films

Many 3D movies are in production. Both converted and native. Conversions are getting surprisngly good.

TV's are on track to making 3D a permanent option (announced a couple of years ago). Which is all it ever was/is. An OPTION. No 3D capable TV is 3D "all the time" as many think. Poor selling/marketing.

No, 3D isn't as popluar as it was just a few years ago. That's normal and to be expected. The bloom of the new 3D tech has worn off. But that happens with EVERY new tech. Does not mean 3D is done for. 3D is alive and well and not going anywhere.

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Pasquale DAlessio
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Thomas

I like your drawings!

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Thomas Murin, Jr.
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- posted March 05, 2013 12:07 AM      Profile for Thomas Murin, Jr.   Author's Homepage   Email Thomas Murin, Jr.   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Thanks, Pat!

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Rob Young.
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I think this is one of those threads that will be great to re-visit in 5 years or so and see who was right and who was wrong! [Smile]

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Ricky Daniels
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- posted March 19, 2013 10:13 AM      Profile for Ricky Daniels     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Interestingly 3D TV's accounted for one third of all TV sales in the UK in 2012...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-21828961

...and the Dr WHO 50th Anniversary Special, due to begin filming in April, will be broadcast in 3D around the show's birthday in November 2013. [Cool]

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Lee Mannering
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Yup they are having another go at a 3D Doctor Who the first being shown on TV in 1993 'Dimensions in Time'.. Things never change. [Roll Eyes]

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David Ollerearnshaw
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- posted March 20, 2013 11:53 AM      Profile for David Ollerearnshaw   Author's Homepage   Email David Ollerearnshaw   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I remember that Dr Who. Didn't the 3D effect only work on right camera movement?

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Thomas Murin, Jr.
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- posted March 20, 2013 12:13 PM      Profile for Thomas Murin, Jr.   Author's Homepage   Email Thomas Murin, Jr.   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
"Dimensions In Time" used the Pulfrich method of 3D.

Pulfrich involves filming using constant horizontal movement either with the camera or objects within the frame (ie; the floating heads of the DOctor's in the Rani's TARDIS).

The glasses for Pulfrich use one clear lens and one dark. This causes a delay in light reaching one eye. When combined with the horizontal movement of a filmed image, a pretty good amount of depth can be achived.

Very few productions used Pulfrich due to the fact that the horizontal movement need for the effect to work cannot be maintained for very long. Also, the effect can fall apart after several minutes.

The Saturday morning cartoon "Yo! Yogi" used Pulfrich for the chase scenes that climaxed each episode. A VHS tape containing the series pilot and all the Pulfrich scenes was a cereal giveaway. I still have mine. [Smile]

The new Doctor WHO special will be filmed using the newest 3D tech. This has been confirmed by the producers. Hopefully a Blu-Ray release will follow.

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David Ollerearnshaw
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Dr Who was proberly ahead of its time [Big Grin] None stop camera movements most films seem like that now. Channel Four has had 2 attempts at 3D on standard TV. I think they transmitted "Fort Ti" in a kind of 3D.

I think its like most things, some do look good in 3D. The odd in your face is not too much, all the time boring.

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Oscar Iniesta
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I am going to tell you my point of view from Spain. Movies use to be the same again and again, so quality is low. Prices are high and we have to survive to this big crack. With 3D they have stolen expensive prices for not real 3D films, as you has said. People is not stupid, or not so stupid after a time.
I usually compare this years of CGI and 3D with the era of westerns, when they produced hundreds of cheap ones, with the 50´s Sci-Fi fashion, when they produced hundreds of bad films, and with the 70´s xplotation movies. Better times will come.

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Lee Mannering
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- posted March 21, 2013 08:16 AM      Profile for Lee Mannering     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Right on all counts David. The camera had to be moving and used the semi dark/clear lenses. Looked OK but I got dizzy after 5 minutes of the camera whizzing around good old Jon Pertwee. Fort Ti was transmitted in Philips sort of anaglyph and still got my VHS.

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Hugh Thompson Scott
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Oscar has put it in a nutshell, cinema comes in phases.

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Ricky Daniels
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FORT TI was transmitted in 'comic book' anaglyphic 3D across the UK on the ITV network by Southern TV Southampton 0n 05/12/82...

Here's a link to a few clips...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoNAnuloCgA

http://www.top3dtv.com/?videosga=ITV_Commercial_break_3D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQCeMIQpFBc And squint with the Right eye!

http://www.nurofen.co.uk/plus.php [Big Grin]

Pulfrich used on the Dr WHO/EASTENDERS sequences Thomas mentions ran in two parts on 26th/27th Nov 1993 in special editions for Children in Need... it's an effective phenomenon however not very practical. Anaglyphic use to present Colour films in 3D was always a mistake, it's bad enough on B/W! It's not surprising that with all of these previous inferior presentation methods used in the home (or ill equipped cinemas) attempting to emulate the quality of the original Polarised projection systems that it's little wonder the publics perception of 3D has been 'twisted'...

Thank goodness for technological advances in this field.

Best,
Rick

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Lee Mannering
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Hugh. sometimes in comes in mains electric 3 phases [Eek!]

Ah good old real world programme with Michael Rodd not mention Sue Jay!

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Thomas Dafnides
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A recent survey of prospective new TV buyers in U.S.A. found less than 20% have a desire to purchase 3-D capabilty . The hottest new feature in TV is internet connectivity.

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Joerg Polzfusz
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IMHO 90% of all 3D-TVs are only used to watch 3D-"adult movies". Hence the owners don't care about what's shown on the advertising-infected TV-channels...

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Lee Mannering
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The thing is, will people ditch the old 3D tv models they have recently purchased when the new ultra HD models land shortly?

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Martin Jones
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Not if they have any sense. As a retired TV engineer my philosophy is " a TV set is for life"..... which simply means "use it until it dies, and then buy a new one". By which time the "new" one will will have technology far in advance of the old one, even if you buy "last year's model" at a cracking reduction in price.

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Thomas Murin, Jr.
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Most people use 3D TV for sports and movies not porn. Hate it when people generalize like that.

I've said it before: 3D is going to become a permanant option on ALL TVs. This is fact. That includes the new Ultra HD sets coming. 3D is in the specs, I checked.

Ultra HD sets will cost two to three times more than standard HD sets for at least the next few years. So, no one will be replacing their TVs just yet.

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David Ollerearnshaw
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Did they ever make "Chesty Morgan and Her Deadly Weapons" in 3D now that's frighting [Roll Eyes]

When my current TV dies the replacement will be 3D or whatever is about 6 to 12 months old technology.

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Hugh Thompson Scott
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Yer confusind 3D with "Double D" Dave, Chesty didn't need any
help in that dept.

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David M. Ballew
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Those of you in Southern California may wish to know they're having one more World 3-D Film Expo in September.

Follow this link for details: http://3-dfilmexpo.com/

I had festival passes for the first two expos, but this time around I will content myself with a handful of carefully selected tickets. I am very much looking forward to seeing Dragonfly Squadron, paired with the Marciano-Walcott fight short feature from 1953. Both have been out of circulation for many years. In fact, they say this is the first time Squadron will have played in 3-D before a paying audience.

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Lee Mannering
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Well that’s the end of 3D TV then as the BBC announced it would be scheduling no new 3D programming. It had to end as 3D history has dictated before…

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I think some of those 3D films from the 1950s, only exist now as 2D prints. I bought one of those 3D camcorders of Ebay; complete waste of money. I found there was a free programme that could turn your HD camcorder shots into HD 3D. I tried it with a few clips and the results were better than the camcorder. It's just a novelty, and you soon tire of wearing glasses.

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