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Osi Osgood
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My wife and I were watching a news report today about this new software available to anybody, that allows a person to track another person by use of they're cell phone, anywhere that they are.

Now, we just have a land-line, we've never owned a cell phone to this day (and I have no desire to do so anywhere in the near future), but this is quite a fearful thing ...

Sexual predators getting the numbers of they're victims, whether adults or children ... there will be even more children snatched by vile people in the near future.

Other people that simply want to do harm to others, tracking them to perhaps kill them.

That's not getting paranoid, that's just what is going to happen.

So, I'm really hoping that some smart person out there, (and they will make a butt-load of money if they do) invent software that blocks tracking software on they're phones.

We live in a dark, bloody rotten time.

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Hugh Thompson Scott
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That has been my view for a long time Osi. Information, a lot of
it private information, is available to all and sundry. Your financial
history, your employment history, your medical history, your family history, all available to anyone that wants it. Now you are
to be tracked, I'm with you on this, I don't have a mobile phone either, but there is something Orwellian about the whole modern
system of society.

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Paul Adsett
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I totally agree with Osi and Hugh. The 'digital information revolution' is now totally out of control. There are no checks and balances on confidential personal information, in fact no information is regarded as confidential any more, anything about you is up for grabs. And then you have the majority of people who are addicted to their smart phones, and cannot put them down for 5 minutes, and are perfectly happy to share everything about themselves to anyone and eveyone on Facebook.
You have companies like American Express, Citibank etc. sharing all your personal information to other companies, because it is perfectly legal to do so and they get paid for that information. As for putting my bank account and financial portfolio on my computer or on 'secure' web sites, forget it. If the Pentagon can be hacked , nothing is safe anymore.
I predict that, sooner rather than later, there will be a massive cyberattack and the whole damn system will come crashing down, with all records lost forever, because nothing is on paper anymore.

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Bryan Chernick
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quote:
As for putting my bank account and financial portfolio on my computer or on 'secure' web sites, forget it.
Paul, I hate to break this to you but I think all bank data including yours (if you use a conventional bank) is accessible via the internet whether or not you use the internet to access it. It's supposed to be secure but who knows.

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Hugh Thompson Scott
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If that is the case Bryan, then I think it's high time the public
started fighting back.The banks are breaching confidentiality
if they are guilty of this.

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Tom Photiou
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its big brother, the film 1984 is coming true bit by bit,

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Bill Brandenstein
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Invasion of privacy? Nah, we ain't got none! This is a serious problem, but I'm wondering if what you saw, Osi, was like a recent news report I viewed where it wasn't just a cell phone, but a GPS-enabled smart phone, plus posts to Facebook, Twitter, or Instagram, that allowed locations to be tracked - or stalked.

If this is a simple cell phone threat alone, unaided, that one's new to me. And even more disturbing.

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Hugh Thompson Scott
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It shows how far our society has sunk Bill, when I worked for the
local Council,on Housing Maintenance, I, along with the rest of
the crew, worked in peoples homes, on trust. I'm talking total
trust, when the tenant was leaving for work, telling us that the
payments for various insurance men or the rent was on the side table if they called. It would never have crossed our minds to sift through folks private stuff, we were workmen, but honest, and
trusted workmen. How times have changed, when peoples private affairs are there for all to see at the touch of a button.
Something that would have mean't instant dismissal for us, all
those years ago, is a money maker for Bankers etc. Times do change, but not I feel, for the better.

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Pete Richards
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Don't get too freaked out, you actually have to have physical access to their phone, you have to be able to install the software and have them not notice somehow, and it doesn't work on a non-jail-broken iphone.

So in short, you can't just track people without them knowing it by just visiting a website or without physical access to their gear, their installation passwords etc etc.

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Graham Ritchie
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In one way I like the idea of the "police" tracking someone through the cellphone, if there is concern for there safety or have gone missing.

Without doubt anything put out on the internet... even on this forum is available for anyone to view world wide.

I think you just have to be careful...myself the internet..Facebook has been great. I can totally "bore" folk with all kinds of stuff [Big Grin] ....although thanks to Facebook I got back my old copy of "Flight of the Phoenix"...so it does have some uses

In my new job a cellphone is a must, and am even texting [Eek!] ...the very thing I would rubbish the idea, only a few years ago.

Graham.

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Martin Jones
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The police are welcome to track me any way they want... cellphone, CCTV or whatever.... and they are welcome to monitor me anytime with CCTV. They can even monitor me in my very private moments if that's what turns them on (though I think they'll be doing a lot o monitoring for no pleasurable result!).
When you have nothing to hide or be ashamed of... what harm can it do? I still sleep soundly every night.

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Maurice Leakey
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I feel secure in my car with my mobile phone in my top pocket. Secure, because I can call out the Roadside Rescue at a moment's notice.

I suppose my phone could also help me being located if I was in a somewhat remote place.

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Hugh Thompson Scott
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The old argument of "I've nothing to hide", should make you think
what gives them the right Martin.

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Martin Jones
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As Maurice so rightly points out, Hugh, monitoring me,and Maurice, and you, can only ADD to our security. There's nothing wrong with "old " arguments; they've stood the test of time. It's the "new", untested, ones that we should be suspicious of !

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Hugh Thompson Scott
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Sorry Martin, just because they can, doesn't mean that they should.

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Osi Osgood
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but just wait ... give it a month or two and you'll be able to install that software, unaware, through they're cell phone actually being wither in use or turned on period or even worse, through whatever cell phone plan (parent company) that the person who is to be "spied upon" is using.

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Hugh Thompson Scott
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Osi, that function will no doubt be implemented in the manufacture of said 'phone. It conjures up visions of an employee
enjoying a game of golf, while telling his employer he's ill in bed.
There is something more sinister at work here and for whatever
reason, it isn't good.A lot of this techno is put out there with no
thought as to the repercussions, Orwell was quite right in his book,
I for one now take the stance, I give no info to any bodies, Government or otherwise.On my last Census form, I told them to refer to previous info on previous form. To hell with 'em.

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Robert Crewdson
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Hugh, I remember in the 60s my mother left the rent money on the sideboard and the house unlocked in case the rent man called when we were out. He was a real gentleman and we had no problems.
During the war my father while stationed on the South Coast stayed at his future in laws when on leave, they never locked the house at night.

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Hugh Thompson Scott
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It's all true Robert, I worked for the local Council, on various sites
all over my home town of Whitehaven, (we kicked John Paul Jones
arse when he came to burn our ships a couple of centuries back)
The people get to know you, we've laid & lit old folks fires for them, made them cups of tea, apart from doing our job, even
watched kids while the tenant nipped out. Society has gone
rotten, no doubt through the PC laws etc, and pussy footing
Government. Sadly, those days are ended, people are viewed with suspicion, but this is helped by governments, who need an
enemy, but bring that "enemy" to live amongst us. In years gone by , it was the Russians, now it is anyone with an Eastern
accent, they were wrong then, as they are now. The people
that use mobile 'phones ought to be asking serious questions on this though, it is a serious infringement on decency, if a payiing
user is monitored in this underhand way, and thanks Osi for
making us all aware.

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Pete Richards
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No Osi, there is no way for the phone company or anyone else to install that software without you knowing it. I develop for the iphone in particular, and it just is not possible.
Also, with any devices these days it is easy enough to hack them and see what the OS etc. is up to. There are plenty of us 'grey hat' guys out there that spend our free time checking up on what the software on computers and other devices are up to, and letting the world know when anything devious is attempted.
Don't buy into the scare mongering from television journalists.

Now there are real concerns with the NSA monitoring internet activity etc. and plenty of genuine privacy concerns, but the 'phone software' isn't one of them. The NSA monitoring is in full swing and I don't like the privacy implications. I recently had to change my secure mail account, check into what lavabit has been through recently.

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Robert Crewdson
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The only thing I know about at present in the UK is Mobile Phone Tracking, which enables police to track where a particular call was made at a particular time.

Hugh, further to what you were saying; a resident in my village was photographing motorists who were parking on grass verges and damaging them, someone thought he was photographing schoolchildren on their way to school and reported him.

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Hugh Thompson Scott
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Pete, don't kid yourself, the speed that technology now moves, they can tell when you take a leak. Robert, society has gone to
hell, the people on the housing estates where I worked, looked
on us as a back up to social service, we kept an eye on folk, sadly
that is in the past, and I myself nearing the criteria of an "old guy"
but thankfully fitter than most. I worry for the next generation,
because a lot have neither the insight or care, that was instilled
in us, coupled to the majority not being able to understand English.

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I hate everything up to 1975...technology is our most dreadful cancer in our community known as human beings.

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A lack of technology is filthy human beings huddled in a cave trying to stay warm without even the benefit of an animal skin because they haven't invented a spear, club or knife to get one with.

A lack of technology is a breeding ground for ignorance because there is no light to read by, no printing press to make the books, no paper to print on and no alphabet to write in.

Technology is like fire (actually making a fire is technology too, maybe the most important of all.).We can cook our neighbor a nice meal or we can use it to burn down his house. The choice is ours.

Technology is morally neutral. It's up to the basic decency of people to decide how to use it. If anything, this is the problem.

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There was never a time when man knew nothing. Paleothic man knew how to fashion weapons from flint, Neolithic man raised the great stone circles in Britain and made looms to weave cloth.

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