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Dominique De Bast
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The tv news made a report about the growing sales of the vinyl records. It seems that the phenomenon that (re)started a few years ago is more than a temporarily fashion. The average of the buyers is incredibly low (between 20 and 30). And it seems that it is not limited to Belgium but that is seen also in other countries. What will be next ? The real film ? Le't keep our fingers crossed...

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Jim Schrader
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still got all my vinyl records in the process of putting them on my iTunes library.

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Adrian Winchester
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Vinyl has an advantage as new record players can easily be bought and there's no shortage of new product, but we must still do our best to convey that film is the visual equivalent of vinyl. If one or two of the specialist shops that offer vinyl could be persuaded to devote a little space to 8mm, that would be a good start.

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Winbert Hutahaean
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Holding the vinyl artwork is definitely different experience with holding CD artwork,...moreover USB!

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Bryan Chernick
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I've got close to 1,000 LP's in my collection now. The problem is they can be had for so cheap it's hard not to buy a good record when you find it when it's only a dollar or two.

A friend of mine has a record store in Hawaii that deals mostly in Vinyl and they are doing quite well.

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Paul Adsett
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The furniture item right below the screen in my screening room is a beautiful 1973 Zenith console stereo. The maple wood cabinet is gorgeous, and it has a great turntable, radio, and yes an 8 track tape player [Big Grin] built in. I have quite a few vinyl's and we play them on the stereo quite a bit at this time of year.

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Maurice Leakey
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Vinyl LPs have a superior sound than a CD, but a CD scores due to its longer running time.

When LPs were first introduced in the late 40s, early 50s, they were 10inch with only four tracks on each side, the playing time was limited as the original material was taken from existing 78s.

The 12inch was at first reserved for classical recordings, but soon all the 10inch were superseded by the 12inch. I well remember the excitement when the Benny Goodman Carnegie Hall concert was released with its long tracks.

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Paul Mason
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My wife and I still have 12 inch LPs but the singles went a long time ago. The only disadvantage with vinyl is wear due to heavy or careless use but at least they're thinner than CD cases. I'm not sure that the sound is better than a CD but a good LP's analogue sound is rounder and smoother sound than the clinical CD sound.

[ December 04, 2013, 09:48 AM: Message edited by: Paul Mason ]

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Lee Mannering
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No surprise re the LP scene here as we have a superb vinyl shop in our town which the younger adults love and even the older ones. Perhaps with all this social media about people are rediscovering just how sociable actually playing a record is if having people round what with thumbing through a record collection. My own Thorens gets plenty of use here and a warm sounding vinyl is as good as ever.

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Paul Adsett
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What is the best way to clean and maintain old vinyl records? And how often do you have to replace the needle these days?

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Fabrizio Mosca
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There are particular products for taking care of vynils (both spray and dedicated washing machines).
I usually clean them with the anti-static brush both before and after playing them(for removing the static charge). When they start to have too much noise on the background, I use one of the dedicated sprays for a deep cleaning.
Re the stylus, it usually lasts some hundreds of hours nowadays (but of course it depends on it's quality), but you may decide to change it when you hear the record playing not so well

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Maurice Leakey
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If you are using a cloth or brush on an LP move it in a circular motion around the grooves.
In the case of a CD the opposite applies. Start at the centre and move outwards as in the spokes of a wheel.

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David Roberts
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for some of us,vinyl never went away,for the simple reason that with a half decent turntable,the sound is of much better quality than cd..
a decent moving coil cartridge,though not cheap(several hundred pounds) will last at least 2000 hours,or well over 2 years regular use. i use a linn lp12 turntable that is around 30 years old,though the model is still made.

to cd. 8in fact i hardly ever bother with cd,

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Graham Ritchie
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Paul

I don't know if its the right thing to do, but I wash them in the garden with Palmolive dishwashing liquid, then with the garden hose wash down with water. [Big Grin] ....then leave to dry.

Years ago I nearly gave away all my records, after all they were old hat and the CD was the now the thing....reflecting now, I am glad I kept them all and still adding more to the collection [Cool]

I do find the sound of the CD a bit harsh.... to clinical and providing the records are scratch free, I think they sound better.

Graham.

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Michael O'Regan
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I have a few hundred vinyl which I play only rarely. I have many more CDs which I play all the time.
To be honest, even though I'm a musician, I've never really been bothered by the whole analog vs digital thing when it comes to music. It all sounds beautiful to me.

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Bryan Chernick
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I clean mine with rubbing alcohol and a soft cotton cloth. The same cloth I use to clean my film.

My wife and I listen to records at least 3 or 4 times a week. We have two RCA Victor console stereos similar to the one in Paul's picture. Were even having a cabinet custom made to hold many of our records. I don't think I will ever abandon records because of the way it keeps you engaged in the music since you have to attend to the records and turntable.

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Rob Young.
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Rega were always great players;

http://www.rega.co.uk/

Or if you have the cash, Linn;

http://www.linn.co.uk/all-products

The Linn LP12 was / is one of the best sounding turntables ever made; mine certainly is! [Smile] [Smile] [Smile]

And for the money, Project decks are fabulous sounding;

http://www.project-audio.com/

The old rule is don't clean your records unless you really have to as it will probably just ingrain dirt into the grooves and make them worse.

If you have to, or you've bought records that need a clean, this stuff is pretty good and very effective;

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Record-Cleaner-for-Vinyl-Records/dp/B0015C0YYY/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1386084116&sr=8-2&keywords=record+cleaner

Reason CD doesn't sound as good is the massive compression required. 16 bit technology is ancient by todays standards.

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Lee Mannering
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Yup the Linn Sondek were always noted and a complete deck with tonearm will set you back about 12k today. Yipes!
The Thorens TD160 MK2 complete is nice and mine still has orig cartridge in it still fine, these go for about £300 on fleabay. Have a Project as well which are cheap as chips but sound like steak and excellent value for money. The Project Debute is a modern good value deck as well and complete ready to go. Project Genie is what I use in the cinema to play theatre organ music on prior to a screening, at a little over £200 is excellent and just the job.

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Osi Osgood
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Lovely set up Paul!

OK, I know I'll sound like a party pooper on this (especially as a recording artist myself), but, though vhynl (I know I spelled that wrong), may sound better to an audiophile, I can't stand scratches when listening to a recording, nor surface sound, background noise, from a record.

Besides that, the problems that at one time plagued early CD's you'd buy in the store are mostly long gone (a slight "tinny" sound to CD's ect), and the modern CD does sound quite good.

That, and the remastering of old classic pop tunes just has a sonic quality that really rivals the original recordings available on dem ole records.

Mind you, I have quite a few mint condition 45's that I still hold onto ... though!

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Dominique De Bast
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Osi, I'm not sure people are looking for a perfect sound on vinyl records, but for a better sound. Better not in the sense of scratches free. It is a fact that cd and vinyl have different sounds and it seems that a growing number of people prefer the vinyl sound. The fact that a record is a "real" object compared with computer files or even cds is a plus.

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the linn is easily available sh,mine cost £600 with a new power supply board,and a rega arm.

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Dominique De Bast
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Another subject on the Belgian news today about the come back of the vinyl (this time on the public channel). They said that in 2011 the sales of vinyl records increased in Belgium increased of 39 % and that in 2013 in the UK over half million records were sold.

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Pete Richards
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Seeing that most vinyl releases come from digital masters, and vinyl has a much lower SNR than even CD (let alone Linn 24bit master recordings like these) some people do still prefer the format.

I think part of the recent resurgence has to do with the loudness wars. We are in a very strange situation, when there is an identical release, like Daft Punk's latest Album Random Access Memories .
On that album, the vinyl version was not loudness compressed, but the CD and 24bit FLAC releases were. There is no good reason to do this, other than to artificially make the vinyl version sound 'better'.

Listen to Velvet Underground's White Light, White Heat in Studio Master 24bit, and you will never want to listen to it on Vinyl again.
http://www.linnrecords.com/recording-white-light-white-heat.aspx

Vinyl is a fun format, great for large artwork, but not all that great for audio as close to the master quality as possible.
And this comes from a Linn owner. I love vinyl, but when I want to listen to the best audio, I go digital.

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Doug Arnott
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I love that younger people are showing the interest in vinyl again. I love the sound of my old Lp's played through an all TUBE amplifier. Still using my old Marantz 6200 turntable, a dynaco preamp, and 2 matching old organ amps (one for each channel) Whats fascinating to me about vinyl is that the tracks are an actual print of the soundwave that was made to record them, I think that's why the voyager space probe is carrying a gold plated lp record of "Hello" in most languages of the earth instead of a digital file somewhere in its memory.
Either way the difference is subtle compared to some of the high end digital systems out there, but still appreciable and very pleasing to the ear.
I use a record cleaning brush and water mixed with a very small amount of alcohol to clean mine each time before playing them. Its worked well for me over the years.

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Dominique De Bast
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Pete, in the subject about vinyl in the news, a man said it was a ceremonial for him to listen to a record : choosing one among his collection, remembering the last time he listened to it, have a physical contact and so on. He added that he had not the same experience pressing a button of a mp3 or telphone list of songs. Sometimes, quality is only a part of the pleasure.

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