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Steve Klare
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posted April 04, 2015 06:15 AM

-and I responded to your remark on "LIVE THEATRE" right underneath it.

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Martin Jones
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posted April 04, 2015 07:30 AM

It then becomes a "movie", the attraction of which is that it is meant to replace what you CANNOT experience in real life. Fluffed lines and interaction with the audience are part of the experience: removing them detracts from the enjoyment.
But you CAN experience Live Theatre in real life (the clue is in the name); you have many opportunities limited only by the number of LIVE performances in various places.
A video in HD of a visit to Disney World cannot replace Disney World... etc, etc.
BUT.. it makes little difference whether you see movie "YYYY" in a movie theatre or in your own home IF you have created an almost identical experience with the help of easily available relatively "low cost" technology.... which is the point of my original post.

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Steve Klare
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posted April 04, 2015 08:07 AM

-yet the experience isn't "almost identical" because of other factors you've left out.

For example there is the factor of a night out of the house and the interaction with the rest of the audience.

If you go out to a bar and have a bottled beer, the beer is the same, the bottle is the same, the temperature is the same.

Why on earth would anybody ever "Go out for a beer." if the technical merits are all that matter?

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Andrew Woodcock
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posted April 04, 2015 09:14 AM

plus, don't forget the sound effects of a hundred or so people all munching through an industrial bin sized bag of popcorn costing as much as half of your monthly mortgage repayments with the mandatory gallon of Coca Cola alongside!

You just cannot emulate that in the home environment. [Big Grin]

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Martin Jones
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posted April 04, 2015 09:36 AM

Good point, Steve.... the very reason that Public Houses in the UK are closing in droves is because the UK public are electing to do their drinking at home. Its cheaper, it's less trouble, you don't need to drive.
The only ones who are "going out for a beer" are not "going out for a beer" ... they are going out to get very,very drunk (they say they enjoy it?), get high on drugs and cause endless trouble for others, including the Police.
Yes, it's an overstatement, but it IS happening. The supermarkets supply cheap booze.. the drinkers drink at home.. the demand drops in the Pubs.... and they close because there are INSUFFICIENT " goers out for a beer" to sustain them.

I was a victim of that syndrome: my business got more and more difficult to sustain because of the public buying their technology in the supermarkets. I closed in the end because I had INSUFFICIENT customers through the door.

And that's just one of the points I made,,,, when there are INSUFFICIENT movie theatre patrons left to sustain them (because more and more people are viewing AT HOME), the theatres will gradually close. It may take a long time.. but in my view it's inevitable.

It's VERY easy to see it from your own particular point of view, but if you expect things to just carry on because it's what you want personally, just remember that the supplier is in a position to judge whether there enough "YOUs" still left to sustain his business.

Thanks for using the "beer" analogy!

Andrew.... Just make a recording during your next (or last) visit, and play it during an Home Presentation. Simples!

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Steve Klare
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posted April 04, 2015 01:39 PM

What?! No friendly beer after a long day at work?!

People have been predicting the end of theatrical cinema since the dawn of television, but 70 years down the road it still hasn't happened.

Why?

Because the industry found ways to innovate: stereo sound, cinemascope and for example.

Lately (like it or not) they've gone digital. This means you don't just see "movies" any more. Our local multiplex had an Elton John concert recently: shown live from Los Angeles. If they are smart about it they will continue to offer entertainment you can't get at home.

Like it or not too, the industry is being smart about cultivating a younger audience. When we go we see vast herds of teenage kids. One of the things that has to happen to kill the public cinema is for teenagers to think it's cool to hang out with their friends at some parent's house (not happening...)

I really hate to think of a time when we're all cooped up in our homes with nowhere to go and nothing to do but watch the 'tube, no matter how awesome the 'tube becomes.

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Osi Osgood
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posted April 04, 2015 02:03 PM

Give me the scratches, wear and tear, splices and dirt any day of the week over digital! GRRRRR! [Mad]

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Graham Ritchie
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posted April 04, 2015 03:56 PM

The only thing missing at the local multi-plex of late, is the type of movie that I and the over 50 might like to watch. The place is more geared up for the teenagers and young kids which is a pity. I have suggested to them to cater a bit more for us oldies outside the school holidays but they wont.

Home cinema projecting either with film or digital does give you the chance to watch such movies, as an example "The Great Escape" "South Pacific" etc that otherwise you wont get a chance to see anywhere else.

The cinemas here, now they have the means with digital projecting, in this city need to be more pro-active in there range of product and not exclude the older generations like me. [Frown]

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Guy Taylor, Jr.
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posted April 04, 2015 05:12 PM

I agree with all of Steve's points. It is still more enjoyable watching a movie with an audience.

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Dave Groves
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posted April 04, 2015 05:15 PM

It's interesting that so many towns having allowed their local cinema to close in the 50's/60's/70's are now pushing for re-openings, rebuilds etc. seeing the cinema as a lynchpin to re-development and rejuvenation of city and town centres. Multiplexes have given youngsters somewhere to go. How long this will last is debateable. Locally (in Southend) the Council has given the go ahead for a second Cinema. Where is the audience going to come from? The Cinema will survive even if last year it's audience fell by 5%. Watching t.v. is a major attraction that many will buy into. Most who do probably haven't been to a Cinema for years. The youngsters don't care about how the picture got on the screen. They're more concerned about the price of popcorn!!!

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Paul Adsett
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posted April 04, 2015 05:30 PM

A month ago we went to see Vertigo at The Enzian dinner theater. Of course, I have seen this film many times before, particularly the projection of the stellar quality blu ray in my own home. The digital picture quality at the theater was, I thought, about the same as my own, But I can tell you that I enjoyed the film much more, due to the fact that it was in a real cinema with a very appreciative audience.
I think today's younger generation does'nt have a clue as to how going to the cinema used to be, when the screens were huge and the audeinces numbered in the thousands. I think most of them are quite content to download movies to their IPADS.

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Graham Ritchie
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posted April 04, 2015 06:19 PM

Dave

I think getting kids away from becoming "couch potatoes" in front of the TV and "out" of the house, is really important for their mental and physical well being. Same goes for adults [Smile]

Going to the movies with friends is only part of it, but anything that gets them away from the TV must be a good thing.

Graham [Smile]

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Steve Klare
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posted April 04, 2015 09:26 PM

We shouldn't forget that there is more to this than picture and sound on screen or even the movie in of itself: it's part of a whole night out. It's planning (and agreeing) on what to go see and where. It's going out to get something to eat, it's getting tickets and waiting to get in with the other people, it's the popcorn and the drinks. Only then it becomes the coming attractions and then the feature.

-even the ride home is part of it: it's a couple of minutes to share what it was all about.

You reduce it to just watching a flick on a screen pretty soon you're at home with your feet up on the coffee table: after a while you stop caring whether you have pants on or not...

(Perhaps the measure of a full life is having enough good reasons to wear pants...)

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Andrew Woodcock
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posted April 04, 2015 10:40 PM

Oh yes, you should always make sure you wear pants whenever visiting the cinema Steve thats for sure! Ha ha ha

That is unless it is a cinema just off Dam Square! [Wink]

[ April 05, 2015, 02:49 AM: Message edited by: Andrew Woodcock ]

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Robert Crewdson
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posted April 07, 2015 05:12 AM

You are not alone Dominique, there are still many of us who will remain with film until our dying day.

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Andrew Woodcock
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posted April 07, 2015 08:08 AM

"He said Dom, you'll be a film screening Boy, and that's the way to stay....Happy to be a film screening Boy, until you're dying day!"

I think we know a song about that! [Big Grin]

Now all together now... A 1,2,3,4...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uRlgNF7uAU

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Osi Osgood
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posted April 07, 2015 01:38 PM

Course ... if I did want to go to the local Cinema, I'd need to take out a second mortgage on the home, toss aside college plans for the kids, just to afford all the tickets and the snacks. [Big Grin]

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Mark Silvester
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posted April 07, 2015 02:41 PM

Great post and respect for the topic.

I will always support, personally - front projection. As it allows the tweaks..the presentation, etc and being in charge of the show...the simple secret is in the following -"collective experience "....people together - a sheared experience. Laughter..drama..sadness and being scared is infectious...like the common cold..but it creates memories..that we love. In my case "big screen" entertainment...SHARED.... Great stuff - "Movies" sums MY hobby up...and that sums up all formats AND the collective experience. [Wink]

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Paul Adsett
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posted April 08, 2015 08:28 AM

Well said Mark. I don't think you will find anyone here who would disagree with your sentiments.

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Osi Osgood
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posted April 08, 2015 12:41 PM

Speaking of digital projection, I just heard a rumor that our only movie theater in town here, (Mountain Home, population 12,000), is going to close.

I had heard that they had switched at least one of they're two screens to digital, I don't know if they switched both, but I think I'll give them a call and find out.

If they are closing, I think I might do a little documentary on the closing night. I know that this has all been done before, but it's rather sad to see the high cost of digital (conversion) claim another casuality.

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Dave Groves
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posted April 09, 2015 01:52 PM

Osi, 12,000 isn't a very big catchment area. Is that the problem? If they've already converted one screen they're half way there. Have you got a picture of the place?

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Osi Osgood
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posted April 10, 2015 12:15 PM

Yep, small community, but we were able to support a theater before ...

In fact, to update, the Theater did lose it's original owners, so while they moved on, "Take One" cinema bought the theater, so it's still up and running, and both screens have been digital for three years now.

When he heard that I run old school celluloid, he literally sounded desperate on the phone, asking for my advice, which I'm not sure I can give.

I like being as helpful as possible, but his question is, how do you get more young people to come to the theater? Apparantly, his matinee's are bombing.

The problem is, todays youth have so many other outlets for entertainment, that they can just sit at home watching TV, downloading HD quality films or cartoons, (sometimes before the film even gets to the theaters screen!), and so, while 50 years ago, a matinees for the kids would bring in lots of children, it's really hard to pack the theaters with kid's, families ect ...

Digital or not ...

[Frown]

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Rob Young.
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posted April 10, 2015 02:38 PM

In addition to the image, don't forget about sound.

Dolby Atmos anyone?

Or DTS X?

Cinema going is a social event and as such will always remain appealing, even if only for younger people than ourselves. As is going to the pub. People like socialising.

Quote, "the very reason that Public Houses in the UK are closing in droves is because the UK public are electing to do their drinking at home. Its cheaper, it's less trouble, you don't need to drive.
The only ones who are "going out for a beer" are not "going out for a beer" ... they are going out to get very, very drunk (they say they enjoy it?), get high on drugs and cause endless trouble for others, including the Police."

Martin, with respect, what a silly load of nonsense.

We've lived in the area we do for 10 years now and knew no one when we moved here. Socially, apart from the very good neighbours we have met over the years, we now know many trusted friends that we met in the various local pubs by simply going out for a drink and having a chat.

I'm sorry, but the world can still be a nice place if you make the effort and don't read too many tabloids.

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