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Tom Photiou
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 - posted November 18, 2004 12:12 PM      Profile for Tom Photiou     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
What the hell is this planet coming to? I read today that the USA is releasing Tom & Jerry REVAMPED, changing the coloured womans voice, apparantly its racist, [Mad] [Mad] and also far to violent [Eek!] , This is the country which made Terminator, the evil dead, and most other violent films, (which i enjoy). Even when ET was revamped they use computors to erase the guns in the holsters during the early forest chase seqence and replaced them with mobile phones/key. I just cannot understand the thinking behind these clowns and now T&J. How sad are some people. Thank God we have the 8mm versions as per the original releases.

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Mark Todd
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I couldn`t agree more Tom, sounds crackers, We feel the T+Js are far less iffy than most things on TV even well before 9pm these days anyway but the PC thing is going bonkers.Its also a thing of the time.
In the UK at the moment there is a proposal to give gay couples the same rights as married usual couples.
Well I can see the fairness and sense in that but low and behold the proposal was only for gay couples meaning straight long commited couples who are as good as married and particularly people like us very long term commited with children would have not had those rights or benifits or protections for the children, that was the PC nonsense for me.
Best Mark.

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David Roberts
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I love the original T+J and so does my 9year old daughter.
We usualy watch a couple after our evening meal,its become a bit of a ritual.
Id be very upset if these are going to be messed around with because of political correctness. They come from a different age and this is a large part of their charm.
I thought it bad enough seeing a bit of Tom +Jerry kids,now they should be banned!

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Tim Drage
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They've been messing with Tom + Jerry for decades actually, there are all sorts of different versions... in the 80's (?) they changed her to be Irish, and then there are mixed up versions where she's still black but has an irish accent! Very odd.

I saw a few seconds of 'Tom & Jerry Kids' the other day, astonishingly awful! [Frown]

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Dan Lail
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There seems to be an on going attempt to change history so as not to offend anyone. Oh boy! Maybe they can make Hitler, Mousellini and Hirohitom appear to be Larry, Moe and Curly and looking back in the future Michael Jackson could be made to appear black. Whoaaaa...now that's what I call touchy feely. [Roll Eyes]

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Adrian Winchester
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I think it's crazy but I feel it goes beyond the idiocy of a lot of 'PC'-orientated thinking, as it's also vandalising an art form. Hardly anyone would condone (eg) taking a work of art from a gallery and painting over something considered inappropriate during a later era. Any sensible person would take the view that art is a product of its time, but unfortunately film, and perhaps also sometimes books, seem prone to this appalling lack of respect. With T&J, I guess it reflects commercial factors but I would have thought that Speilberg would have to approve any changes to ET, so it's disappointing if he has (although personally I'd have no inclination to see the film in any form!)

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Tom Photiou
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I would love to make every US and Uk tv station broadcast the warner classic Snow white and de debben dwarfs, Shove that on esomewhere, my rule is if you you dont like or it offends, tough s***, use the on -off button and avoid! [Big Grin] [Wink]

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Michael De Angelis
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I was disappointed that Disney never gave the release for Derann for
Song of the South. I always enjoyed that film during the 60's and 70's
when it was released theatrically here in the USA.
The animation and colors especially during the Zip-a-dee-doo-da, sequence was always beautiful, joyful and fun. I will never understand why that sequence was not released as a 200 foot release, yet Disney releases Brer Rabbit and the Tar Baby. That's in your face politically incorrect! So go figure?

Disney animators always had a knack to make 2 dimensional animation, look
3 dimensional, with either bright colors and subtle backdrops the images always seemed to appear with a special luminous depth which is lacking when the films get cleaned up with airbrushing and dust removal and then transferred to video.

Thus, I will not understand what is so, spectacular in watching the harshness of CGI animation which is wonderful, but at times less pleasing to the eye than
the wonderful soft pallet that Disney infused into their films.

During it's zenith, all done with human hands!

Derann's release of Snow White is spectacular, but due to the neg. clean-up by Disney, they over cleaned and removed some of the depth that was inherent in the cellulose cells, guash paint, and plate glass look that the films originally had.

The reel change medallion cues which were in the upper right hand corner,
are also missing.

Thery over tinker with their product.
P.S.
Dumbo was probably never released due to the same reasons as Song of the South.
Song of the South, is properly titled, it's a romantic song of a time long gone, but the true Dum 'Dumbo's are the PC Crowd.

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Barry Johnson
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Off topic a little but round my neck of the woods,Santas Grottos have been banned in certain shopping malls for fear of offending "ethnic" groups.The thing is,we enjoy "their" festivals without any problems whatsoever.We are being brainwashed by sad 'We dont want any trouble' authorities.
Now this is PC gone really tits-up. [Mad]

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Tom Photiou
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I read about about that to and my reply to anyone not born and bred here that if something in this country offends you sod off back where you came from, i think this country has done much to allow all nations and beliefs to fit in well, and this is an extremly tolerant country. To be told that father Xmas is an offense to "certain" religeons then tuf S***. If we visit other countries, particly Arab states we MUST ALWAYS abide by there laws and i dont see English or Americans being allowed a drink of beer in the Streets so what about minorites over there? Any way,on the films, did you Know (following PC over done in the USA) over the pond Disney released the huntchback of Notre Dam as the bellringer of Notre Damm because it caused upset to disabled people. Get a life!!! [Mad]

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Adrian Winchester
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I think the point needs to be made that when it comes to PC madness regarding Santa, Christmas, etc, the problem is not that significant numbers of any minorities are the slightest troubled by these - in fact some want to take part. The problem is the patronising 'liberals' who take it upon themselves to imagine every conceivable way that minorities may be offended - which is embarrassing for the minorities as they are made to appear intolerant by the idiots in question. The motivation of the 'liberals' is very hard to explain but they seems to have a strange obsession to destroy their own culture. I doubt if this happens to the same degree in any other country as it does in the UK.

Adrian

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Michael De Angelis
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I am shocked [Eek!] but not surprized [Frown] that 'Santa's Grotto's' are being banned [Mad] in some malls in the UK. I guess, that is another thing that we will be eventually faced with [Confused] here in the good old USA. What's next?

I remember when my wife and I took a vacation to England and France about 6 years ago. I never expected to feel singled out, when we went back to the Churchill Hotel in the evening. The cold icy stares by the guests during the evening (and they were only out in the evening) was a chilling experience. [Frown]

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Adrian Winchester
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Barry - just wondered, where do you live? The more I think about this, the more bizarre it is. It's not even as if Santa has much of a religious connection. Presumably people locally are saying it's madness, as I doubt if even the majority of PC-obsessed idiots have much inclination to ban Santa!

Micheal - were the stares from the other guests because you are from the USA. If so, I'm shocked and appalled, and I apologise on behalf of the sane people of the UK. I hope your experience was unrepresentative of what most US visitors would find.

Adrian

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Mike Peckham
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Adrian

The Santa Claus fiasco was simply an attention grabbing headline in a Tabloid newspaper, read this; http://icbi rmingham.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100localnews/tm_objectid=14854939&method=full&siteid=50002&headline=no-santa-ban--says-shopping-centre-name_page.html

Unfortunately, in the UK the efforts of many are badly represented by Murdochs gutter press. Most of the time it is possible to find a report about the same story in a broadsheet and find there is a whole other side to it that was conveniently ignored by the Tabloid. IMHO the Daily Mail is the worst of the lot [Frown] .

Michael, I'm apalled by your experiences on your trip to the UK and would like to join Adrian in apologising for any unpeasantness you might have experienced as the result of a narrow minded minority.

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Tom Photiou
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I see what many are saying, but then if you go a step further, what about that terrorist supporting scum,(the one with hook for a hand) the prison he is in has been told to take down the crosses because it offends the muslims in the prison, what about the majority? obviously they dont count, to make it worse there building a mosque within the prison grounds to please them [Mad] . Arnt they there because they have been naughty and are facing court. On films, The song of the south is masterpiece, again, we have some jerk somewhere suggesting it is racist. CRAP. When i went to Disney Florida two years ago the old steam boat ride plays a tape with old cotton pickers singing, all i want to know is where are these d***heads that come up with these ideas, i'd love to get into a conversation with them. Recently in the USA the TV networks were baned from showing Saving Private Ryan, apparantly its too violent, and what are us and the US doing over in Iraq right now? The mid west religous states came up with that one, the man in presidency is from that area and is the same man who sent the states to war. As im sayng from the song of the south to Tom and Jerry is gone nuts and the real majority needs to wake up and say what they feel. We do all live in free countrys after all.

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Adrian Winchester
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Mike - thanks for putting the record straight. Birmingham might have been 'picked on' because it does seem to have a fairly extreme council - I've read stories (maybe also exaggerated) about it ceasing to refer to Christmas and replacing it with 'Winterval'!

Tom - I won't express an opinion on US TV censorship, but - as 16mm collectors will know - there's a long history of films being cut for US TV, and sometimes 'milder' alternative shots have been filmed to replace those liable to be cut. I don't know if this died out in the 80s and 90s (perhaps a US collector can tell us), but a film like SPR would have had no chance of being shown uncut in the 1970s.

Adrian

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Michael De Angelis
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To, Mike and Adrien,

Thank you for your kind sentiment. It is appreciated.
This may get somewhat off topic but,
our daily excursions around London were delightful, with stops at a local pub,
Cruise on the Thames, Convent Garden,(many crazy people there on Sunday) Imperial War Museum, Churchill's Cabinet War Room, St. Pauls Cathedral, tour of the City and area. Buckingham Palace inside and out, Madame Tussaud's Wax Museum, The West End Theatre in the evening to see the Musical: ShowBoat, Tower of London and Crown Jewels Tower Bridge, #10 Downing St.,Changing of the Horse Guard, Hyde Park, Westminster Abby, past the Park with statues of FDR, Chuchill, and Eisenhower across from where Allied Command was stationed.
( I forgot the name of this park area)
The inspiration of (neighborhood real community) of fictional Mary Poppins,
Piccadilly Sqauare, Big Ben ( we wish we could have seen Parliment in session)
Traveled the double decker Bus, and the Tubes, and checked out Harrods with a lunch at one of the cafe's indoors.

I just don't know if they were of Arab background, and nontheless, this does not apply to all people of this one culture, but they were only seen in the evening, and they imposed a chilling feeling when we returned at the Churchill Hotel at night. It's not appreciated when we were being stared at. [Frown] As tourists, we are not boisterous, we dress respectfully, and will never carry on. Perhaps they can recognize that we were Americans. It's not anyones fault, some of these people impose terrible manners, but thank you for your kind words and the wonderful hospitality which we enjoyed all the same.

Last but not least, after full days of walking, the bed at the Churchill, is the most comfortable which we have ever slept, in any place home away from home. [Smile]

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Barry Johnson
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Adrian: I Live on the outside edge of Birmingham,and a succinct reply has already been posted to your thread.
Not wishing to perpetrate this much further but how about this:since writing I now read that certain schools/pre school care are banning the use of nursery rhymes as they are too violent.
Rather buggers it up if you are requested to show the kiddies some cartoon films with Tom & Jerry dunnit!

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Tony Milman
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Barry,

I hail from Birmingham before I was sent "down sowf" and returned this year to the city after many many years of absence. Although it had changed the people were as always chatty and friendly [Big Grin] . Try that down here and they think you are a luny [Mad] . Imagine adding into the conversation that you collect super 8 films- Barking! [Frown]

Michael- I hope what you had experienced is no more than anyone does in London these days. I found Clancy staring at me in a most disconcerting way the other evening. I was even more concerned when he suggested that Alan Rik was a tall blonde good looking American [Eek!]
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Come back again and we will teach you the art of staring back in an even more menacing way [Cool]

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Michael De Angelis
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Tony,

That was great, and made me smile. [Smile]

Best wishes to all,
Michael

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