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Topic: No more screen shots !
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Winbert Hutahaean
Film God
Posts: 5468
From: Nouméa, New Caledonia
Registered: Jun 2003
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posted July 26, 2010 11:52 AM
Guys,
Don't get mad on me.... ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
We all love screen shots so we can have the idea to what the print quality of particular titles...
Many of us use a camera (whatever it is: mobile phone camera, handheld camera, professional camera) but then many of us too deal with problems of setting and sometimes dishonest pictures due to self color correction done by certain cameras.
I found someone's listings of super 8mm where he uses scanner to give the idea of his prints. And I am so surprised that the result is amazing and even can get to bigger resolution that we ever knew before.
Here are the examples (all pictures are taken from super 8mm format):
Original listing: http://cgi.ebay.de/CARTOON-WORKING-FOR-PEANUTS-USA-53-SUPER-8-/300394332328?cmd=ViewItem&pt=DE_DVDs&hash=item45f0e5c0a8
Let start with a reddish film. Although we hate the reddish print but I am talking about the details of this scan. Everything is perfect.
He says: "Siehe Fotos,direkt vom Film gescannt." which means 9according to the google translation "See photos from the film on a spool"
Now we go to a better print:
Ben Hur
Ben Hur
Although for long shot (picture 1) the face of soldiers cannot be seen clearer, we should understand that this is taken from 8mm picture size and more over it is 1970s print. But when it comes to close up (as Picture 2) everything is so sharp.
and now if we move to 1990's print of:
Silent of the Lamb (Derann)
you will be amazed with the quality. It is just like taken from the 16mm and do not show any sign of blurry (or shaking in the case of our digital camera).
He says clearly in his description:
quote:
Die Kopie ist in einem wirklich hervorragenden Zustand mit allenfalls minimalsten Gebrauchsspuren. Keine Klebestellen,scharfes kontrastreiches Bild,sehr gute Farben.Siehe Fotos, direkt vom Film gescannt. Deutscher Ton.
which means: The copy is in really excellent condition with possibly most minimal signs of use. No splices, sharp-contrast image, excellent Color. See photos, scanned directly from film.
There is another Derann print listed by him, but unfortunately he made on running cells, so he presents them in small cells.
Three for Breakfast (Derann)
Look at it, although it is smaller, but (because this is a Derann print) we can read easily the word of "Flour" on the right cells.
I wonder what scanner he is using. I am hesitant to ask due to the language barrier. If someone from Germany or anyone with good German can ask him and report here that would be great.
So no more screen shots .... with a camera ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
And this post does not mean to take over Gian's beautiful screen shots ever.
cheers,
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Winbert
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Winbert Hutahaean
Film God
Posts: 5468
From: Nouméa, New Caledonia
Registered: Jun 2003
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posted July 26, 2010 05:18 PM
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Now if that shot was at the beginning of the reel, I'd try it!
Yes Doug, of course we only need to scan the beginning of reel, just to give the idea about the print quality.
It is less pain (at least for me) rather than setting the projector and screen. Then play the film forward for a couple minutes, taking some shoot, and after that we play it reverse with the risk of getting scratched (or for some hi-end projecetor can be manually un-thread).
That is from projecting side, but the other pain is to set the camera which has to be precisely focus and set the camera manually into the correct exposure and speed (to aovid flickers, over exposure, or incorrect picture temperature, i.e warm vs cool because indoor vs outdoor setting, etc).
I think it is worth to try.
Cheers,
I beleive today's good quality scanner is sold for around $80. But I am not sure if the scanner used for this listing falls into this category. Perhaps a German member is willing to ask the seller? I really curios.
cheers,
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Winbert
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Alexander Lechner
Expert Film Handler
Posts: 118
From: Leoben, Austria
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 27, 2010 04:09 AM
Here is the answer:
"Hallo Alexander,
freut mich dass Dir die Fotos gefallen. Es handelt sich um einen Scanner von Canon, Modell: CANOSCAN 8800 F.
Es bedarf allerdings etwas Übung, das richtige Resultat zu erzielen. Der Filmstreifen (speziell bei S8 und 16mm) muß genau an der richtigen Stelle fixiert sein, sonst hast Du Streifen im Bild. Aufgrund des kleinen Formats (Super 8) mußt Du das Gerät sozusagen "überlisten" um zum gewünschten Ergebnis zu kommen. Als Faustregel gilt, je kleiner das Format, umso "komplizierter" der Scan. Das hört sich jetzt alles etwas schwieriger an als es ist. Tatsache ist, dass man nicht hingehen kann, das Ding aufstellt und dann loslegt. Solltest Du dir so ein Teil zulegen (ca. 150 Euro), stehe ich gerne für weitere Tipps zur Verfügung!
Ich hoffe ich konnte weiterhelfen.
Gruß
Willi"
The translation:
Hello Alexander,
I am pleased that you liked the pictures. They were done with a Canon scanner, Model: CANOSCAN 8800 F.
You need a bit of practice to achieve a satisfying result. The film (especially S8 and 16 mm) has to be fixed at the right place otherwise you'll get stripes in the picture. Because of the small format (Super 8) you have to "trick" the machine to get the wanted result. Generally spoken you can say the smaller the format the more difficult the scanning. Now, this all sounds a bit more complicated than it actually is. As a fact you can't just put the scanner on your table and start scanning. If you are thinking of buying such a scanner (about 150 Euro) I'd like to offer further advice to you!
I hope this was of any help to you.
Greetings
Willi
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Alex
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