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Topic: Sankyo 600 sound 2 pin Dim questions
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Phil Mitchell
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From: Melbourne, Australia
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posted January 10, 2014 01:30 AM
Hi all, I think I may already know answer reading some other posts, but I wil ask in case more experienced people know.
The Sankyo 600 Sound projector I have, as a 2 pin Dim soket for Auxillary sound out put, now I can find a plug for it on EBay, but would it stil only output to mono?
I have a Eumig S905 which will not run, something to do with the inching knob at its rear. I have to wind that knob up to make motor run, we cannot work out why as it is a very similar model to my late father's Eumig S912 which has same knob etc, we have compared teh units, out of our league! The S905 has a 3 pin DIN, that I assume is stero, but I gather there is no way to covert it to Sankyo?
The S912 only has a Mic out which is mono. Even though it can play duel audio tracks, seems odd.
Maybe I be better off copying the recorded audio track to DVD or PC as I have in mono and just making a copy of audio file on PC and insert both tracks into audio or Film editing software huh?
Cheers
Phil
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Phil Mitchell
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posted January 11, 2014 11:43 PM
Thanks guys again, yes I took back of projector and wiring is like that.
Hey I know this is a bit off topic of my orginal post, but is it possible to use a lower Watt blub in Sankyo 600's, Max is 100W, just I read soemthing about capturing 8mm films to Digital, that if one uses a lower W bulb you may get less Strobing effect, which I think is what I cannot stop on some films, especially when my father may of had his exposure wrong, play around with WB and Iris of digital or CCR video cameras, doesn't quite get rid of a little halo effect off people or objects which are bright especially if sun is on them.
Or is using a lower W bulb just Rubbish suggestion?
Thanks
Phil
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Phil Mitchell
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posted January 17, 2014 01:01 AM
Thanks Maurice for info and Ebay link.
Interesting I got the 5 pin Dim plug and it output sound to 4 RCA leads, and yet I stil hear sound through projector speaker, I will look at your wiring diagram more. Not sure if it is extention cable to my PC sound card I am using but I am getting a buzz through line that I was not getting from the Mono Earphone out socket, hmm, hopefully audacity can clear off that buzz, but yes certainly stereo output from the din socket.
I will take off back of projector cover and make sure no dust with my can of air blower. Maybe contacts of socket are dirty or something, oh I know I could plug the microphone that came with it, as it is a DIN one as well, into same plug and test it without overecording any film and see if I get saem buzz, that should work out what is doing it.
Cheers Phil
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Phil Mitchell
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posted January 24, 2014 08:23 PM
Hi Maurice, ( others)
The DIN plug is not doing as you said in earlier post, when I connect it, I need to turn volume up on projector to hear sound and as I said, I stil hear sound from projector's speaker even when outputing via Din to RCA cable to PC's sound card.
Not fussed by that, but since I started to use Din plug, now as soon as I connect power to Unit, I am hearing a buzzing noise and Audacity sound capture software picks that up, tiny bit annoying.
I have tried using Noise , anaylisng option in Audacity to get rid of it, which it does to a degree.
Any ideas what could be doing that and maybe how to fix?
Thanks in advance
Phil
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Phil Mitchell
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posted January 24, 2014 10:39 PM
Hi Steven thanks for reply and suggestions, I was actually reading another thread with your posts about what I think is very similar.
"Dan who had a Eumig S 802, with a hum, Post in 2010/11."
The buzz or Hum which might a be better word, starts as soon as I plug unit into power outlet and turn up projector sound knob.
Unless I am going nuts, this hum, was not there until I used Din Plug the 2nd time. And when I used Din plug first time, there was not sound still coming through Projector's speaker. Hmm, sounds like Din plug has changed something maybe.
Nah I think it is just something these things have, I just checked the Eumig S912 I have, that also has a hum, less noticable, and only can be Heard when I turn project knob to sound position and turn up volume.
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Steven you are spot on, I just plugged Projector power into same power outlet as my PC and although hum is still there, to hear it I have to have volume knob of projector up past half way plus. Thanks for suggestion, as it will elimate most of that hum , buzz Noise.
Cheers
Phil
[ January 25, 2014, 02:35 AM: Message edited by: Phil Mitchell ]
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Phil Mitchell
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posted February 05, 2014 04:01 AM
Thanks again Maruice and also Martin for 2 din plug only suggestion, plenty of those on Ebay even in Australia,
Now question if I may again using the 75watt Bulb, well I suspect it is due to 75W one, I am seeing on film when projected or even without film when I set to lamp projection onto screen, two black bars down screen one is more promiment, they are about centre of screen. Never noticed them with 100W, I looked inside unit in case of dirt or something, nothing it is clewan, I did however noticed on what I assume is the part which enlarges the film you are projecting, looks like window with a frame in the middle , well not frame, but a bar in it's middle, this part is just before film gate, on the Sankyo there is, this blade for want of correct word the spins around when you project that when not projecting covers this small window like part.
Hope that makes sense. Anyway I suspect lesser watt Bulb is not hiding the bar that runs down middle of this window part ( excsuee lack of right names, still newish to projectors, but I am sure you guys wil know what I mean.
Anyway am I right in assuming that is causing the bar down screen? Or is soemthing wrong, as it is a shame this is happening as I can notice less Strobing on films, espeically older ones using 75W bulb.
I'll see if I can take a photo of this part and post it, if it will help people.
Cheers
Phil
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Phil Mitchell
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posted February 06, 2014 10:41 PM
Thanks for replies guys,
Behind that small part is a series of blade that spin around when one runs projector, Is Shutter blade right word for that,
When projector not running the blades cover where light would project towards lenses. So it does make sense that is there to stop burning film. Well the blades I mean.
yes 2nd picture is of projector running without any film.
As for Bulbs, well when one buys off EBay who knows huh, fortunately I can test this theory as my father's old Eumig S912 has it's original blub which is same type Sankyo takes. The Sankyo I bought didn't come with Bulb, seller ordered one for me, but I also ordered the 75Watt one, anyway I understand about alignment as the bulbs have a metal marker ( alignment) on their rim to line up with bulb holder. Let's see how Eumig bulb goes and I will make sure everything is aligned.
Edit.
I just found this other thread and if I not mistaken the picture on this thread is same thing I have just smaller.
http://8mmforum.film-tech.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=006637
Interesting he took it out and look at the projected image change, big diff, even with 50W, I know different Sankyo model, but if it is a heat sink and my one cannot do still projection, why is it required, would I do any harm takning it out and comparing of course using a film I do not care about, have a few of those from my father's playing around filming things we don't care about keeping.
I see if I can get a pic of it from other direction should be able to, just need to take bulb out and manualy move that blades part.
Cheers
Phil
Updated Feb 9th
Bulbs are fine, tsted them in Eumig projector, and yes they are aligned okay too. Interestign Eumig S912 has a space for the Heat Sink window if that is what I ssupect it is and no window there, strange as the Eumig S912 etc can with knob on rear of unit be used to pause film. One thinks it would need a heat sink to protect film. Anyway I prefer to use Sankyo for film transfers as this Eumig loves to eat film, Doesn't like joins in films, puts movies out of frame etc and pressing the button that is meant to put it back, only works for s few seconds, that is like the Button on top of the Sankyo near Feeder button.
Well this is what part looks like taken out, same as in the other thread.
With it out no more black bars down screen and mor elight gets through, why it is in two peices seems strange,
[ February 09, 2014, 02:28 AM: Message edited by: Phil Mitchell ]
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