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Phil Mitchell
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- posted October 27, 2013 11:15 PM      Profile for Phil Mitchell   Email Phil Mitchell   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi I have two of my father's older projectors, one is a Eumig S912 and the other is a S905.
Neither of them is playing any sound and yet film have sound strips on left as you look from behind projector, I know my father recorded his own sound tracks on his films.
On the 912 I have folowed manual where it says to press the two red dots for some head cleaning pad thing to clean head or something, at this age I do not know if that helps or not. Any suggestions welcomed.

The other one is a S905, it's motor must be sticking or something as when I turn knob to fwd or reverese the reel spindle is not moving. Does this have anything to do with th eknob of reer which I belieave is called a inching knob.

Thanks in advance

Phil
[Roll Eyes]
ps if anyone wants a manual I can send you one.In PDF format.

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Janice Glesser
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- posted October 28, 2013 01:19 AM      Profile for Janice Glesser     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
First check the exciters lamps and any fuses that may have blown. If they look ok...then it may not be the projectors...but rather the film. It seems coincidental that there's no sound on either projector. Is the film you are using a commercial film or home movies? Just because there is a sound stripe doesn't guarantee there will be sound. I bought a Laurel & Hardy commercial reel that was suppose to have sound...but discovered that the track had been erased. Just a thought [Smile]

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Dominique De Bast
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- posted October 28, 2013 01:40 AM      Profile for Dominique De Bast   Email Dominique De Bast   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I am a litle bit confused by the original message and by Janice's answer. Do I understand correctly if one of the projector did not play any film at all as the take up reel didn't move ? In this case, it is not possible to know if the sound works or not on this one. I assume you did not pressed the red knob while running a film (otherwise you erased what was on the soundtrack, if there was anything on it). As Janice said, a soundtrack has not always sound on it. You should maybe try with different films if you're sure that some of them have sound recorded. But what I don't understand in Janice's answer is about the exciter lamps as for magnetic sound you are supposed to use a soundhead. I haven't a S 905, so I don't know for this specific model but what happens often on Eumig machines is that some rubber inside was lost with time and so a aprt of the moving system cannot move the mecanism of the arms. You can open the projector and look (it can also be a belts problem). I am sure someone else will translate what I wrote in correct English ;-)

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Janice Glesser
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- posted October 28, 2013 02:16 AM      Profile for Janice Glesser     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Dominique...sorry for the brain infarction [Roll Eyes] I shouldn't try responding to threads at midnight. I was thinking about troubleshooting optical sound... and for some reason I thought he had tried it on the second projector too. However... checking the fuse is still valid if it has one [Smile]

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Dominique De Bast
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- posted October 28, 2013 03:16 AM      Profile for Dominique De Bast   Email Dominique De Bast   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Oh, this explains that :-)

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Lee Mannering
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- posted October 28, 2013 03:42 AM      Profile for Lee Mannering     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
This fault would be very unusual on a 900 range Eumig machine but try this.

Power up the 912 machine and turn the main control knob round to the sound film setting ( 2 clicks clockwise). This should start the mechanism and with the volume control know turned fully up you should hear a hiss sound from the rear speaker. If not try pressing the red record switch in and out several times with the volume control turned fully anti clockwise. Note the 912 is a twin track machine so set the track switch to 1+2

If the other projector has no transport it may be missing the small black toothed drive belt. You can spot this by removing the front cover and it is situated just behind the 18 to 24 speed control knob.

Good luck.

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Maurice Leakey
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- posted October 28, 2013 03:45 AM      Profile for Maurice Leakey   Email Maurice Leakey   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Phil
Lee has beaten me to a reply!

Both these two projectors are very similar with their rear-concentric spool positions. Is there any sound at all? By this I mean does a hum come from the speakers when the volume control is advanced?

If there is sound it may be dirty contacts on the projectors' knobs preventing sound signals reaching the amplifier. Press all the controls in turn paying particular attention to the red record button which often gives problems.

As has been said, the drive is via a rotating pad. Take off the back and then replace the mains lead. Look to see if anything is moving. You will see how it should work.

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Lee Mannering
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- posted October 28, 2013 03:47 AM      Profile for Lee Mannering     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Mr Eumig strikes again! [Smile]

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Phil Mitchell
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- posted October 28, 2013 10:27 PM      Profile for Phil Mitchell   Email Phil Mitchell   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Thanks for all the replies and suggestions, which I wil try.

Yes I do hear sound from speaker, buzzing, hissing noise when I turn volume up on both the 905 and 912 projectors. Filmds I am playing should have sound, one was actually a Air NZ promo movie my dad must of got given and I would imagine that would have sound, it was about Air NZ flying around pacifc, so advertising so to speak. I also play back some other films I know for sure have sound today. I wil check fuse on 905 for why it won't engage motor to play or rewind.

I post back what I find., Cheers Phil

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Phil Mitchell
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- posted October 29, 2013 04:36 AM      Profile for Phil Mitchell   Email Phil Mitchell   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi all. I think I found sound issue. I thought I had seen something displaying through lenses while projecting, just took lense carefully out of unit. Sound strip has got caught behind and has wound itself up. , I know from manual and logic don,t use any metal objects, would toothpick wooden one be safe to get this out, no wonder it was squelching when I played a film tonight that I knew had sound, oh one thing I did fixed was Inow can dub a voice over or just do a no record voice over with mike as recording level is now lit. Ah it is over 35 years I am guessing since this was used, the 912 unit. Tomorrow I.ll compare the 2 units to work out why s905 is not engaging. Cheers. For help. Phil

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Phil Mitchell
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- posted October 30, 2013 06:01 AM      Profile for Phil Mitchell   Email Phil Mitchell   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Okay an update. on S912 that audio strip was just caught u in film catch area I think it is called, doubt it will change sound problem. Pity there is not a cleaner tape or reel, as in the way we had for audio cassette players and Vhs video players, remember you could get a cleaning tape to run on machine and it would clean the heads. The only cleaning device ( if I am right reading manual) for S912 and I assume for 905 too, is a cleaning pad inside it where you press on where a red circle or something is, trouble is how old is that and how well would it work, very old and dirty I'd guess. Anyone have any ideas how to clean sound head which I assume it would have one, my brother who is more mechanical minded than me, has blown all dust out of units, he has a air compressor for his car spray painting, so low power of that will blow dust out of most things. Anyway as for the 905, the inching knob on it's back as you look towards lens, is the reason why motor is not engaging, that is sticking, we think a bit of lubricating spray may help that issue. Anyone recommend good brand of super 8 projectors, as I doubt I am going to get the S912 to play sound, hopefully I can pick up a decent one of Ebay for not too much, so any recommendations welcome, thanks in advance. Phil

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Maurice Leakey
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- posted October 30, 2013 06:50 AM      Profile for Maurice Leakey   Email Maurice Leakey   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
To clean the magnetic heads apply a sparing amount of Isopropyl Alcohol with a cosmetic bud. (A sort of stick with cotton wool ends.)

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Martin Jones
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- posted October 30, 2013 10:59 AM      Profile for Martin Jones     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
NOT recommended for projector heads.... but out of interest when I was in Audio Servicing I found the best (and chepest) thing for cleaning Audio Heads on Reel to Reel, 8-Track and Cassette recorders was ....SPIT!
I used to moisten the tip of my little finger and wipe the head with it, then put a cleaning tape through. Worked every time.

BUT, do not use your finger on a projector head: they are much too delicate!

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Maurice Leakey
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- posted October 30, 2013 11:12 AM      Profile for Maurice Leakey   Email Maurice Leakey   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Martin
What a lovely idea, although I doubt if a wetted finger could reach the sound heads on a Super 8 projector.
I did use the word sparing.

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Phil Mitchell
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- posted October 31, 2013 01:04 AM      Profile for Phil Mitchell   Email Phil Mitchell   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi, thanks for replies again, okay we have located sound head, I know what the alcohol is, people use it to clean heatsinks on computers before ataching a new CPU, I can get it from hardware store as a spray bottle.
http://www.bunnings.com.au/diggers-125ml-isopropyl-cleaning-alcohol_p1564443

I did moistion a cotton bud and gently wipe sound head to see how dirty it was, didn't seem to be much dirt there, but esy enough to use this alcohol. hopefully it wil help if not I guess I wil be looking at another projector for which I know sound works, and one with variable speed too, although isn't variable speed just means one can change frame rates from 24 to 18. If I have to lok at another brand, what brands? Cheers Phil

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Maurice Leakey
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It may not be dirt on the heads but magnetic track residue, if the cleaning reveals a brown colour, that's it.
For cleaning I quote from a Bauer manual in front of me:- "For cleaning the magnetic sound heads use a cotton wad soaked with denatured alcohol."
Most Super 8 projectors have two fixed speeds of 24fps and 18fps, but the Eumigs with their unique drive device can run at variable speeds between 24 and 18.

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Phil Mitchell
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- posted November 01, 2013 12:46 AM      Profile for Phil Mitchell   Email Phil Mitchell   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi, yes got sound going, only needed some moisture on a cotton bud, but I also used some film cleaner on a older film and gave that a clean using my cotton gloves and these wiping cloths, spraying on cloth a little bit at a time and on film as not wanting to wreck film itself.
Yes some brown marks came off it to. So yes I now have sound.

Magentic rsedue sounds right, colour matched that. This film was 45 years old.

Thanks for help.

Cheers
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Jordi Luque Canellas
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- posted April 01, 2014 10:51 AM      Profile for Jordi Luque Canellas   Author's Homepage   Email Jordi Luque Canellas   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi All,
Recently acquired Eumig S912 GL. Anyone have user manual please?
My idea is frame scanning with retro-8, and recording sound from my Eumig. (long process [Frown]
Also trying to clean sound head but very hard to access to it. I has a this black plastic teflon over it, don't know its function...
Any way or guide to clean sound head or remove from it? (for better cleaning)
many thanks!!

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Mark Talbot-Butler
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- posted April 25, 2014 03:47 PM      Profile for Mark Talbot-Butler   Author's Homepage   Email Mark Talbot-Butler   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I have a manual for the S912 GL. If you reply to this post with your email address I'll send you the scans.

Best,

Mark.

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Mark Talbot-Butler
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- posted April 26, 2014 11:34 AM      Profile for Mark Talbot-Butler   Author's Homepage   Email Mark Talbot-Butler   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Alternatively, get the manual here:

http://office.manualsonline.com/manuals/mfg/eumig/s_912.html

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Phil Mitchell
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- posted April 26, 2014 10:27 PM      Profile for Phil Mitchell   Email Phil Mitchell   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi Jordi,

I just used a cotton bud head, to clean sound head, just with a bit of water on cotton bud. Did the job for me. You should see a Red plastic bit that one can press on, sound head is behind it, if you actually play a film and turn onto sound you will see White plastic cover of sound head come down. Search You Tube, quite a few videos on there about Eumig etc how to service etc.

Good luck
Phil

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Jordi Luque Canellas
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ok Phil I'll try it
Many thanks!!

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