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Terry Sills
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posted August 23, 2016 02:04 PM

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Can someone tell me the difference between the 180 and 160? Does it refer to the reel capacity or are there other differences.
I have a 180 and the instruction book states a capacity of 600ft but it looks as though it could take an 800ft reel quite comfortably. Having said that I don't have an 800ft reel but when loaded with a 600ft there looks to be plenty of room left to take a bigger reel.
I'm certain that someone will have the answers.

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Winbert Hutahaean
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posted August 23, 2016 05:17 PM

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If you meant take up spool, yes 800 feet will be fit there. But I doubt it for the front spool.

800 feet spool is 10 inch in diameter, just measure it now.

Btw I never heard ST160.

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Winbert Hutahaean
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posted August 23, 2016 05:19 PM

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Mike Newell
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posted August 23, 2016 05:29 PM

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Both are 600ft capacity 100 watt lamp projectors. The only real difference is that 180 is twin/dual track. Cosmetically 180 is same livery as GS1200. Elmo 160 is all black like Elmo 800 projectors. I have had both only real difference is slightly better sound reproduction on the 180. That said they are good work horses which with care will give good service .

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Terry Sills
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posted August 24, 2016 01:17 AM

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Thanks Winbert and Mike.
I have seen posts about the Elmo 1200 film path having a reputation for scratching film. Does the 180 suffer the same problem?

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Maurice Leakey
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posted August 24, 2016 02:30 AM

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I have just checked my twin-track ST-600M (similar to the ST-180) with two 800' spools, an Elmo and a Bonum.
Neither will fit on the feed arm, nor the take-up arm.

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Terry Sills
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posted August 24, 2016 02:58 AM

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Thanks Maurice. I won't bother buying any 800 footers in that case.

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Tom Photiou
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posted August 24, 2016 02:01 PM

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These machines were all built to take only 600ft spools,
if you want 800 ft you got to the ST800(or GS800 for stereo etc) and if you want the big spools 1200ft you obviously go for the ST or GS 1200s.

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Andrew Woodcock
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posted August 24, 2016 04:54 PM

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Or the B 700M for 2hrs of uninterrupted flawless viewing! [Big Grin]

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Terry Sills
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posted August 25, 2016 02:09 AM

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Thanks to all but no one has answered my query concerning film scratching. The Autoload system looks to be the same design as the ST1200, which has a reputation of scratching film. Has anyone experienced this on the ST180?

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Mike Newell
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posted August 25, 2016 03:33 PM

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Hi Terry

Bought my two 180s new and never had a scratching issue or an issue with auto threading with either of them and have used them to the max. Always clean your film path clean after every show. One way to check for scratching is to get a nice clean piece of film create a spliced floop and run continuously for 5-10 minutes and then stop cut remove and examine if here is any damage.

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Tom Photiou
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posted August 25, 2016 04:41 PM

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As far as scratching is concerned i understand it is the GS1200 front loading green guide which is a cause of concern, there are modifications for this, i have three ST1200HD's and so far i have been scratch free, i clean it before and after every film show, you need to check that the rollers all spin freely,we also have an ST180 but have not had any problems with this machine either, i would be careful where you do get any modifications from as i know a recent addition has also suffered some problems, but generally its the second green guides that can cause a problem, we are lucky to have several new spares however, i no longer sell them as we are keeping them for our own use.

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Andrew Woodcock
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posted August 25, 2016 04:57 PM

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More than just the input guide for the GS Tom, but not news here this one.

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Tom Photiou
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posted August 26, 2016 06:45 AM

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Pretty much on the Elmo range i was always told by Roger Lily of Movieland international here in Plymouth and also by Candy @ Hanimax,(who at the time was the Elmo repair contractors in Swindon), all the green plastic guides, (and / or worn rollers), keep on top of these you should be OK. Which is why we bought so many at the time, and wish i bought many more.
Of course, keeping the film path clean on ANY projector, ANY gauge is top of the list [Wink]

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Maurice Leakey
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posted August 26, 2016 10:13 AM

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Van Eck Video Services can supply part number PP-0098, this is the Upper Film Guide for many Elmo projectors.
http://shop.van-eck.net/PP-0098.html

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Terry Sills
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posted August 26, 2016 12:20 PM

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Mike
I think you have given the most definitive answer in relation to the 180 and I like your suggestion of the continuous loop, which is worth a try. The one I have looks new for all intense and purpose ( still in original box and even has that 'new' smell about it) and obviously has had little or no use, so I doubt that film scratching will be an issue for a while, if at all, but I was concerned that maybe scratching was an issue across the Elmo range.

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