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Mark Todd
Film God

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From: UK
Registered: Aug 2003

posted November 30, 2016 03:20 AM

Hi I just wondered if anyone has a spares elmo 600 machine please.

I`ve recently bought an Elmo ST160 Mag/opt but fixed 100 volts.

Just wondering if anyone has a parts machine hanging around as a usual transformer would be very handy.

Thanks Mark.

PS anyone used one of these.

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Steve Klare
Film Guy

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From: Long Island, NY, USA
Registered: Jun 2003

posted November 30, 2016 08:53 AM

Good Morning Mark,

You should examine the transformer that's in there for higher voltage taps: they actually could be there. What you run into is manufacturers have to pay a fee to the safety agencies of every country they sell the machine in, so if for example this is a Japanese spec machine it will not include the North American (115V) safety agencies or European (230V) ones, even if the transformer actually is equipped for them.

Why pay a fee you don't benefit from? (What does a Japanese customer care if the thing won't catch fire in Canada?)

May not work out, but it costs nothing to look!

An old employer of mine actually let the safety agencies lapse on an old product of ours because at the volume they were selling it was eating the profit, and the existing customers certified at the system level so they didn't care.

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Mark Todd
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From: UK
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posted November 30, 2016 03:51 PM

Hi Steve it sounds as if its a 100 volt fixed one without soldering to other prongs for different voltage so will need a transformer form a beat up UK or EU machine with the 240 option 600 machine.

I`ve never heard of a transformer going so will be many sat in cupboards etc hopefully in old ramshackle machines. Fingers crossed.

Best Mark.

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Steve Klare
Film Guy

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posted November 30, 2016 04:14 PM

I've been working in power conversion for more than 35 years and have never seen a power transformer die that wasn't killed by something else!

-agreed: all the machines with dead motors, dead sound, worn guides, broken claws, worn and cracked gears and every other evil that befall these, odds are every one represents a good transformer.

It's kind of a shame it worked out this way for you. My North American spec ELMOs have 115V ONLY on the ratings plate, but the transformers are tapped for basically everywhere on Earth!

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Adrian Winchester
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From: Croydon, London, UK
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posted November 30, 2016 07:08 PM

Steve - that's very interesting information that I've never heard before. Have you by any chance come across any other make of projector sold in the USA that this applies to?

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Andrew Woodcock
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From: Manchester Uk
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posted November 30, 2016 07:16 PM

Me bloody neither!!

We used to get Transformers fairly regularly up to 10 MVA that failed if abused!

I see nothing different whatsoever at the domestic commercial end of things with the antics I regularly read about.

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Steve Klare
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From: Long Island, NY, USA
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posted November 30, 2016 07:30 PM

I have a Eumig 800 series that is rated 117V only, but I'm pretty sure that's configurable. My son has a Yelco silent machine with the full spread of voltage ratings...but no safety agencies! (That's frightening!)

I could see this applying to a great many devices, especially from way back when. It was probably cheaper to have a "universal" transformer with multiple taps than buy smaller lots of six different ones, but by the same token six different ratings plates is no big deal!

-especially since doing that might reduce five different safety agency fees per unit to only one!

It's a little different now. Many modern devices use universal input supplies: you can plug 50 or 60 Hz, all the way from 90 to 264 VAC in and they will regulate at the same output without changing anything inside.

My laptop charger has safety agencies for all over the place.

Then again, all I have to do is swap the plug or get an adapter and I can use it anywhere.

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Andrew Woodcock
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posted November 30, 2016 07:37 PM

Steve, I recognize you're professionalism of course I do, but Please don't insult anyone's intelligence here when something clearly has has been caned the arse out of, for the sake of pursuing someones pipedream! [Wink]

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Steve Klare
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posted November 30, 2016 07:41 PM

I thought I was just trying to help someone, and then answer a question I'd been asked.

If we were lucky maybe my guess would have worked out: easy fix!

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Jason Smith
Master Film Handler

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From: Tohoku, Japan
Registered: Oct 2015

posted November 30, 2016 07:42 PM

Hi Mark,

It`s too bad that you will have to hunt for a new transformer.

I have several ST-180 part machines obtained in Japan and all of them have 125V transformers. Even though they were made for the Japanese market(100V) there is a cable that can be moved(with no soldering) from P1 to P2 on the board attached to the transformer. This allows them to be used in the US or Japanese market.

I realize though with you being on 230 to 240V though that probably does not help you at all.

More about it here.
http://8mmforum.film-tech.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=002883;p=2

Good luck with your search.

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Andrew Woodcock
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From: Manchester Uk
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posted November 30, 2016 07:43 PM

Oh well... that'd be that i suppose, I ain't surprised lately if i'm honest.

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