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Lee Mannering
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posted May 07, 2015 06:05 AM

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Recently updated the old video projector having had a small number since oh 1990 and the good old Sharp XV-100ZM the first LCD machine. Later used the similar Sanyo block and so on but not so many upgrades what with film being my first priority.
We have been giving all gauge film presentations here for decades also including a smattering of video projection alongside to bolster the shows as and when, but I was impressed with the image quality from this little Benq projector. (The film reels are optional by the way).

I wonder how others have found the advances in projection over the last 25 years?

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Andrew Woodcock
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posted May 07, 2015 06:14 AM

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Its difficult to find a bad one nowadays Lee I would say, especially if it is a dedicated Home Cinema Model with HDMI inputs and has a decent Blu Ray player on the end of it.

They really do produce spectacular results nowadays even on screen sizes that could only be dreamed of by using anything other than the very best Super 8mm or 16mm projectors.

I like the additional brightness in these later Video projectors especially for 3D presentations, so I always look for a dedicated home cinema model, non DLP, as I cannot stand the "Rainbow" effect, somewhere around the 2400 ansi lumen range for my requirements in the home.

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Lee Mannering
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posted May 07, 2015 06:55 AM

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Yes I agree Andrew things have moved or dramatically over the last few years.. These little HD Benq's were on offer over the holiday just over half RRP price so thought I should upgrade its predecessor and a noted improvement most certainly. I'll leave it in eco low lamp which should get around 50% more life from the lamp for the sake of about 20% less light but the projector was worth the upgrade particularly with a free 5 year warranty on it.

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Andrew Woodcock
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posted May 07, 2015 07:08 AM

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The Panasonic range of projectors have been progressing steadily over the last decade or so Lee. Each model betters it's predecessor by a considerable amount and if you look at a AE100 right through to the PTAT6000 the evolution is incredible!

http://panasonic.net/avc/projector/special/home_cinema_projector/

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Lee Mannering
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posted May 07, 2015 11:52 AM

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That Sharp I had 25 years ago was about 5K I seem to remember when it came out, mind you it did plenty of shows as did the better Sanyo. Used to have a GS Xenon sat next to it for the public shows as well..Happy memories.

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Andrew Woodcock
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posted May 07, 2015 12:36 PM

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Yes Lee, they seemed to be market leaders did Sharp back in the advent of LCD projection technology. I vividly remember Derann trying to convince their long term film customers to buy one of the three early models. The best at the time was then the XVX1E. It cost three grand new had 450 Lines resolution and a massive 350 lumens!

I had one, 3 panel which was rare for Home Cinema early models and the chicken wire effect on it was ridiculous. Still DVDs were in their infancy, scratching never occurred and for the first time, no interval between reels proved necessary.

So for a time I was convinced I could live with a little chicken wire ha ha. Trouble was the panels became ingressed with dust in no time at all and the fan noise was louder than a xenon!

Thank God Panasonic came along and did the job properly. [Wink]

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Claus Harding
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posted May 09, 2015 12:49 PM

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For our condominium meeting room I ordered and helped install an Optoma X600 projector. The thing is the size of two thick books, yet has an output of 6000 lumens, a great lens and is easy to adjust. All that for about $1400.

On our DaLite screen, it looks terrific, even if the daylight isn't completely gone:

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Mark Todd
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posted May 10, 2015 05:33 AM

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I remeber the early ones were like very blockey, then the sharp XV ones, a while a go now were better but still like watching grapes bobbling around some what.

I remember Mark Silvester and I both got some of the first very good ones. I had a sony CS2 SVGA LCD machine, you could see the structure a bit at 8 feet wide but a real step up and the image was superb going in s-video from DVD.

Now you can buy proper makes ones like Epson from around £200 svga and £300 for an XGA all with HDMI and a 3 years gaurantee that blow anything from the early days right in to the bin.

I would love an Epson EH-TW5200 at around £500 but sadly funds don`t allow for the time being.

I keep away from DLP myself as my eyes are fussy, but if you pay from £1000 to £2000 for a dedicated LCD home cinema one the qaulity you get is bonkers.

I was told the lumens for DLP were about half what they are rated at compared to LCD of the same lumens which give much more light.

I have a recent Hitachi XGA LCD one and the qaulity for that middle of the road spec machine is so good its crackers.

Great times for film watching.

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Mark Silvester
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posted May 10, 2015 05:34 AM

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I love my video p/j...and as most know I was there from the beginning - WHEN they first came out a lot of the "old school" wanted to "crucify" me for pushing it...I had many conversations with Derek S and Adrian his son, who I still talk to. Thing is, I think that we have come down to a good "common" ground now...it IS about big screen entertainment...all facets and means of projection. I have learned and accept this...and I still love a dabble with my 8mm machine...memories are made of this.It reallis all about MEMORIES... Mark [Smile]

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Andrew Woodcock
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posted May 10, 2015 06:27 AM

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Yes, gone are days well and truly, where you HAVE to spend thousands to get a decent picture like in the days of the
VPL VW10Ht or the SIM 2 etc etc.

There are some excellent images possible even from some of the sub 1k PJ's now, though my favourite for playing the value card right now must still be the PTAT-6000 which can be had for as little as £1100 nowadays.

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Mark Todd
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posted May 10, 2015 06:38 AM

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Do you ahve a 6000 andrew would love to hear a filmie chap type review of one.

Best Mark.

Ps is that the one with the slightly reddy lamp m?

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Mark Silvester
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posted May 10, 2015 06:49 AM

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And I have to say...I have had a lot of DLP's...could not get on with them due to rainbow effect!! It is a nightmare..prefer LCD panels. [Smile]

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Andrew Woodcock
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posted May 10, 2015 08:27 AM

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Yes me too guys. No,I don't have the latest Panasonic yet but if and when I next upgrade, it will be very much on my shortlist.
The Lcos models also have to be given serious thought next but ultimately I have always been satisfied with the black levels on my later LCD machines so with no visible panel structure to worry about these days, I may well always stick with LCD for the foreseeable future. I can find very little to criticize them for.

One thing that I am not as happy with as the Panasonic projectors have evolved is the remote controls.
It seems such a small item to be doing cost cuts to, but the best was the one that came with my PTAE 900 as it was a effectively a one for all solution with its learning capabilities and illuminated LCD screen and the latest remote is cheap looking and isn't even backlit which I find is essential for projectors.

For Mark, if he just wants a decent cheap model for now, I can thoroughly recommend a lightly used PTAX 200 with its super bright lamp and though only 720p it really isn't much different in image quality to some of the later 1080p projectors especially if connected to Blu Ray players. It gives off beautiful images.

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Paul Adsett
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posted May 10, 2015 12:27 PM

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Every time I use my Panasonic AE4000 LCD projector, I am truly thrilled by the picture quality. As Andrew says, there is no discernible pixel structure with these projectors, and the sharpness, contrast, and color is really awesome. Combine that with the programmable lens settings for zoom, focus, and position, which is great for customising the presentation of different film apect ratios to your particular screen, and you have a truly winning projector. It will take a lot to pry me from Panasonic for my next projector purchase.

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Jean-Marc Toussaint
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posted May 10, 2015 02:06 PM

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I purchased my first VP following Paul's enthusiasm on this very forum about the Panasonic 700 many moons ago (was it 11 or 12 years ago already?).
At the time, when he and I were posting screenshots on the forum, we were being accused of doctoring said pics in photoshop prior to posting. Needless to say that none of the screenshots were retouched in any way. Ha!
I now run a 6000 model and it's a top-notch machine. I had to sell a few organs on the web to purchase an Oppo BD105 BRD player (the best on the market). Connected to the Panny, it's a match made in Heaven.

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Andrew Woodcock
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posted May 10, 2015 02:16 PM

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No airbrushing required with those images Jean-Marc.
Glad you are enjoying Panasonic's latest offering. [Wink]

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Ken Finch
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posted May 14, 2015 05:08 PM

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My first video projector was a little Sony VPL200E which was a single LCD model usinf a 12v 50watt halogen spotlight lamp. It cost just under£1,000 and the lowest priceed one available at the time. purchased from my retirement pension lump sum around 1992. I had seen it reviewed in "What video" magazine and had to get it from a shop in Tottenham Court Road, (the Hi Fi Mecca) in London. It is featured in two of Keith Wiltons "Armchair Odeon" DVDs. My son had it for a while after I replaced it with an Epson EMP51 about 12 years ago, and sold it on Ebay for £200!. The Epson was a standard definition model with much better definition
and higher powered lamp. It had quite a wide ranging zoom lens and was ceiling mounted in front of my projection box. To bring the projected image down to match that of the cine projectors I still had to fit a large camcorder telephoto attachment in font of the lens when using academy ratio. It cost £1375 discounted at the time. The lamp blew after 10 years of use at just over 1,000 hours. I decided to upgrade to a full high definition Epson EH-TW 3200. This is a 3LCD model with an even wider zoom lens, no longer requiring the telephoto attachment. and it cost £800. It is backwards compatible connectionwise so all my existing video formats can be fed into it as well as having 2 HDMI sockets. I have mentioned this in a previous post. The only thing it does not have is 3D but I am not interested in that anyway. I am more than pleased with its image quality and doubt whether I will change it for anything else at my time of life. Ken Finch.

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posted May 14, 2015 05:09 PM

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My first video projector was a little Sony VPL200E which was a single LCD model usinf a 12v 50watt halogen spotlight lamp. It cost just under£1,000 and the lowest priceed one available at the time. purchased from my retirement pension lump sum around 1992. I had seen it reviewed in "What video" magazine and had to get it from a shop in Tottenham Court Road, (the Hi Fi Mecca) in London. It is featured in two of Keith Wiltons "Armchair Odeon" DVDs. My son had it for a while after I replaced it with an Epson EMP51 about 12 years ago, and sold it on Ebay for £200!. The Epson was a standard definition model with much better definition
and higher powered lamp. It had quite a wide ranging zoom lens and was ceiling mounted in front of my projection box. To bring the projected image down to match that of the cine projectors I still had to fit a large camcorder telephoto attachment in font of the lens when using academy ratio. It cost £1375 discounted at the time. The lamp blew after 10 years of use at just over 1,000 hours. I decided to upgrade to a full high definition Epson EH-TW 3200. This is a 3LCD model with an even wider zoom lens, no longer requiring the telephoto attachment. and it cost £800. It is backwards compatible connectionwise so all my existing video formats can be fed into it as well as having 2 HDMI sockets. I have mentioned this in a previous post. The only thing it does not have is 3D but I am not interested in that anyway. I am more than pleased with its image quality and doubt whether I will change it for anything else at my time of life. Ken Finch.

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Paul Barker
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posted May 15, 2015 02:22 AM

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i have two epson eh-tw3200 projectors.i a am very very happy with them. they produce superb quality images. especialy with blu ray. i purchased my first one just over 3 years ago. i was so please with it that when i took early retirement nearly 2 years ago.i purchased the second one.mostly paid for with money my work colleagues collected for me on my retirement. i hope these projectors last me for many years to come as i have no wish to change to any other model. i am also most fortunate that i have a bedroom fully set out as a cinema/viewing room. to me nothing beats it if your a lover of the movies.

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Lee Mannering
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posted May 18, 2015 09:06 AM

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I'm particularly enjoying reliving viewing some of the films I recall projecting in the 1970's which are now available on Blu-Ray as well. Carpenters 'Dark Star' is not such a distant super 8mm feature memory which I seem to remember was priced somewhere about £120 in 1979/80 ish and I loved showing that to my youthful chums back then. The Blu-Ray disc conjures up lots of fun times when my print still had colour, it was running through my trusty Eumig and I liked to mention it was filmed on 16mm. I think we will have to show the 8mm film followed by the near 2 hour doc on the BR disc one evening.

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Andrew Woodcock
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posted May 18, 2015 11:52 AM

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I watched "Gentleman Prefer Blondes" today on my newly arrived Blu Ray disc. It looked fabulous for an older film restored.

The Super 8mm Derann feature was up for sale recently here in the UK and appeared in superb condition, but sometimes you just cannot justify the expense of every film you quite fancy, so I settled for the Blu Ray on this one. Thoroughly enjoyable even in its original full screen format.
Thoroughly recommended for those like me, who may never get the chance to watch it on real film sadly.

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posted May 18, 2015 12:33 PM

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I bought the GENTLEMEN PREFER BLONDES that was recently on eBay from sunshine36. I'm very pleased with it, the picture quality is great with good definition and nice colour. Condition was pretty much 'as new' with all leads and tails intact. The price was high but since, Andrew, you had vouched for the seller when he had THE WIZARD OF OZ up, I went for it. Having said that, it IS the most expensive film in my collection. Never paid that much for a single feature but, phew! it was okay. Not many titles I would pay that much - £350 - for. I don't intend to ever go to the Star Wars prices because, like you say, there are Blu Rays now...

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Andrew Woodcock
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posted May 18, 2015 12:56 PM

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Yes I am with you entirely here Steven and i would never pay the price for Star Wars that seems to be the norm these days.

I have had films off the seller and they are always as good as it comes so I know your print will be lovely. I am very pleased you got it Steven and once you have had chance I would love it if you could post some screen shots for us all to enjoy on here.

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Lee Mannering
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posted May 18, 2015 01:33 PM

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Touching on this Star Wars thing again....
It seems pretty much a U-S 8mm phenomenon in more recent years to collectors and I still cant really work out why it is worth a grand. I sold my own last copy for a very modest, nay realistically low price at the film fair but I would never pay a huge price for the title speaking personally. The remaining dealers are typically paying £15 per 400ft for near mint Derann colour features when buying in as I was quoted recently by one so someone is making a huge profit.

Being somewhat in a reflecting mood at the moment and watching the Vinyl and VHS pre cert tape revival taking place it will be interesting to see if our beloved and much loved 8mm follows suit and at what cost? Now really is the time to hang onto your prized titles if you were thinking of selling a few on as I have a feeling we are approaching a revival however short lived it may be.
Our home cinema screen sees Standard 8mm, Super 8mm, 9-5, 16mm, 17.5mm and that other gauge but I have loved having a decent video projector used in a programme for 25 years now, it fits well and a reel asset to any show supplementing a programmes content with material which may not be available (yet) on film. Motion picture film will always be my first loved resting on vivid memories from the 60's projecting down the hallway onto a white door with Laurel & Hardy clowning around or Chaplin on those roller skates. OOH the memories!

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