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  • Private or Public Forum? The dangers of scams

    I understand that this was discussed recently in a short thread, but if the Administrators would allow, i would like to try and get some serious opinions on this. Reading about various scams and frauds recently, as well as the recent activity on here, it made me think a bit.
    All forums and social media are open to abuse, however, one of the problems here is simply, everyone registers with their real names, this leaves leaves every member, in my opinion, wide open, to the whole world reading this forum, (i know its a bit late having been a member for XXXX amount of years) but reading recent threads makes you realise, not being private members only does leaves you wide open.

    With the familiar social networks facing a barrage of privacy-related controversies, it’s simply impossible for administrator's to guarantee the privacy and security of its members. For example, although Facebook doesn’t own the content its users post, users grant it the right to use, share, and distribute it however they want in accordance with your privacy settings.
    Having a private forum (community) gives you ownership and control, which is becoming more and more important to today’s users.

    Some say public allows more people to see it, but i think if anyone is in the least bit interested, they would join a private forum anyway, it would be free to join, and only member will see it and you sign certain clauses and responsibilities of use.

    If a forum is public as this is, then im guessing that the forum owners/administrators have a huge responsibility. Should people get scammed they could be open to liability.

    I think when items are for sale, many of us will pop on and say things like, "payment sent", or " i will pay tomorrow" or simply "PM sent". This will almost certainly alert the scammers who in many cases will have their system set up to pick up on these words or frazes, we all know where this can end.

    So for me, (only my opinion so stay calm) i would be very much in favour of a private forum. Having read into this recently on here, and on-line as well as talking to the IT company my work uses, private is very much, a safer place to be. It would have no reason to discourage new users or new people to the hobby which, after, is never going to return to the numbers of the 80s.

    Just to add to this, perhaps when items are reserved or paid for, just send a PM, dont announce it to everyone else, I myself have been guilty of this, but not from here on i wont. I've learned a lot about this over the past week, it's actually quite scary.
    Last edited by Tom Photiou; August 06, 2021, 03:46 PM.

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    It would have no reason to discourage new users or new people to the hobby
    Hi Tom.

    This conflates two things. Drawing new users to the site, and drawing new users to the hobby. Joining the hobby is a personal choice that does not require this site...but joining this site is a matter of choice and depends on how open it appears to new folks.

    This is one of the most polite, courteous and informative sites I have ever found. It is more open than most...something we should not fear...but appreciate.

    I am a bit long in the tooth now...in my life I have seen fences rise since I was young. Trust has been replaced with suspicion. What might go wrong is centre stage today...what might go right stands in the wings. One can never argue that the worst will not happen. One can never say that we ought not be safer. And yet I fear these things should not be all that guide us.

    Caution is not without cost. With each suspicion of the worst, something of the trust we need to keep human contact alive dies. Be that on the net or in person. I know it is not a fashionable idea at present...but my tuppence worth is that this site is just about right...if there are real examples of malfeasances (rather than hypothetical possibilities) please give examples...

    Otherwise, this site stands to lose something precious were it to become a private forum, and this would in exchange for something only possible…A might be, rather than what is!

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    • #3
      Mr. Williams for recent examples go here : Osi Osgood's email appears to have been hacked - 8mm Forum (film-tech.com)

      And here : Beware of scam email using David Baker's name - 8mm Forum (film-tech.com)

      If you visited this Forum regular , you wouldn't need examples .

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      • #4
        I would also be in favour of a private forum since there are definitely risks involved with real names and real information being published in public like this. Even photos of real people, projection setups and location information could invite unscrupulous interest. Also identity theft and profile building.

        Unfortunately we live in a time where the hackers and scammers have unlimited time and resources. Hence security patches for the forum software must also be applied as soon as available, as I’m sure it already is.

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        • #5
          There are plenty of private forums out there already. You want private, go there. That's not meant to be mean spirited or threatening, just logical. The idea of having a forum where you don't have to use your real name, is ripe with possibilities of abuse. Personally, I like knowing who I am posting with. Besides, by using real names, there is more accountability for the individual. There is more honestly and integrity, as, if you say something, you are held to it. If you are hiding behind a fake name, you are doing just that, hiding something, and it is more likely that the person will try to get away with things they would never try, if using they're own names. You are more likely to be scammed on a private forum.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by David Baker View Post
            Mr. Williams for recent examples go here : Osi Osgood's email appears to have been hacked - 8mm Forum (film-tech.com)

            And here : Beware of scam email using David Baker's name - 8mm Forum (film-tech.com)

            If you visited this Forum regular , you wouldn't need examples .
            Hi David,

            I followed these links...but could see no more than chicken licken crowing that the sky was falling in. No actual offense, no actual crime, no actual malfeasance.

            I do need examples. I need examples of actual offenses to justify a private forum.

            Okay, I am new...I have no right to suggest anything regarding this site...I offer no more than my opinion.

            BTW...if we are to use honorifics...it is Dr Williams. But Ozzie is fine!

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            • #7
              So you're saying an actual CRIME has to be committed before it's enough reason ??

              NO , SIR , I beg to differ .

              Just an ATTEMPT , if you actually READ everything , should be enough without someone being a victim first !

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              • #8
                People tend not to like the Lurkers: I like them actually, because I've been one!

                18 years ago I lurked this Forum for months before I joined. Back then I kept the link in my "Filmmaking" folder: clicked on it every couple of days. Gradually I came to like what I saw, I joined and later actually posted. Now It's on my smart phone.

                Having a barrier to seeing a forum's contents is like having a store with the windows painted over: it hides all the good things inside and gives people a lot fewer reasons to come in.

                I've actually experienced a Lurker in the 3-dimensional World. Years ago I was at my son's Scouting meeting, and this other Dad, who I'd known a couple of years by then walked up to me and said "I just got this old movie projector I'm fixing up. Do you you mind if I ask you some questions?"

                -guess where he found out?

                So, I like this forum exactly as it's always been.

                Ultimately, protecting our information is our own responsibility. Don't post anything here everybody shouldn't know. I often post about trips I've been on...after I get home. I posted about 10 times the last time I was in Germany, and never mentioned where I was even once!
                Last edited by Steve Klare; August 06, 2021, 08:42 PM.

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                • #9
                  Great story there, Steve.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by David Baker View Post
                    So you're saying an actual CRIME has to be committed before it's enough reason ??

                    NO , SIR , I beg to differ .

                    Just an ATTEMPT , if you actually READ everything , should be enough without someone being a victim first !

                    Hi,

                    I understand your concern. Yes, we could choose to see ourselves as potential victims...We can act as if the worst will happen whether or not that is actually going to come to pass. We can give into that which we fear...or

                    Lets not give in that way. Lets not allow others to do this to us. Let us say that until the worst happens we will act as if others are good people and worthy of respect. We expect this of each other...and everything about this site suggest it is populated by good people.

                    I do not wish to see myself as a potential victim of crime. I do not think others are potential criminals. I do not think visiting this site places one at anymore risk than elswhere on the tinternet.

                    I am not really sure what a private version of this site would amount to...but I am sure that I would like to think that the stranger can be trusted until we know otherwise...because we are all strangers before we are trusted friends.

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                    • #11
                      I myself is quite happy for it to remain public. Doug has already commented on this in a previous thread.

                      I am all for just leaving it as is.
                      Last edited by Graham Ritchie; August 06, 2021, 09:27 PM.

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                      • #12
                        There no need for this forum to go private. 99% of postings and threads would be of no interest to scammers or criminals. If you are putting your email address, payment details and other portions of personal information out there in threads don’t be surprised if you attract criminal interest. The private message facility is there for a purpose. I would also suspect that members looking for sales are putting their details out on the alternative sites so blame can’t be placed on this forum.

                        Historically, there must be at least half a dozen alternative 8mm /16mm sites have been set up over the years most are private and comatose so that tells you all you ever need to know about private forums.

                        So boys if you don’t want people to know the colour of your underwear stop flashing at the window to the World. No emails on threads and private messaging. It makes sense.

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                        • #13
                          Thanks for the replies so far, i am fully aware this was already talked about previously, but somethings happened since then, someone tells everyone publicly they have paid money over, then someone gets scammed, no one will convince me that it was a coincidence,

                          regarding "There are plenty of private forums out there already. You want private, go there".
                          using an alias name isn't what this is about, its about protecting people. Your open to the world podium of scammers and scum. I personally dont really get why anyone thinks it would put people off joining the hobby, unless you seriously have something to hide, why would you not join?
                          There is over a thousand members here, and guess what, every full name and where their from is right there in forum members for everyone to see, again, should this part of the forum be visible like this? My own opinion, (as i said MY own opinion) is that this section at least, should only be available to the administrators.
                          One thing i think this question does show, is how little some people understand about personal data and security on open public forums, in the EU in 2016 they bought out a law, the GDPR, (General Data Protection Regulation). During an audit where i work, if another customers details, (name address etc) is left on a desk open for all to see, and is reported by another customer to the regulator with proof, (a simple phot) the company can be fined up to million or 2% of its previous world turnover, whichever is greatest. Yet here, most seem ok with a basic public forum open to all, here are two things worth a read.

                          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genera...ion_Regulation

                          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GDPR_fines_and_notices

                          BTW, im not suddenly S*** scared of the forum, it's simply that i have read the last post and been thinking about it all.
                          Considering there are over a thousand members, how odd is it that only a handful of people seemed bothered to reply which considering the possible outcomes for some, seems surprising. As for lurkers, Steve, you said,

                          "Having a barrier to seeing a forum's contents is like having a store with the windows painted over: it hides all the good things inside and gives people a lot fewer reasons to come in"

                          Myself, i would say, its more like only being able to see whats in the window, so you will want to come in to see more. In other words, anyone can see the forum, but if you to click on anything you see on that home page, you must join, you shouldn't be able to just go in and see everything and everyone's names and where they are based. Even when you go into a shop you cant go in a see everyone else's names. When i once asked Derann a question about how many people were on there mailing lists, i was told, "sorry mate, thats data protection".

                          It's pretty evident, that someone here shouts, "payment sent", then days later an individual is scammed, or attempted to be scammed means to me that perhaps open public is not so good for people.

                          Again i will repeat, i'm not here demanding this to go private, i'm pointing out what i now know are the cons of being public. Look into it yourself if your that unsure.
                          Last edited by Tom Photiou; August 07, 2021, 04:06 AM.

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                          • #14
                            Tom

                            Can't those doing money transactions do there correspondence through the "Forum Message center"? that's private.

                            Facebook is a greater danger, although my daughter was checking up on my Facebook page a while back, she told me I am "boring" as all I talk about is projectors and films and the like sad eh! so I guess she and others just leave me to my ramblings, while they go on and talk about more interesting things "in there view", like what they had for breakfast .

                            I really don't think there is such a thing as "privacy" anywhere on the internet, you do have to be careful how you use it.

                            Just thinking now, I have been on this forum around 18 years... yikes.. I will have to double check that.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Graham Ritchie View Post
                              ....I really don't think there is such a thing as "privacy" anywhere on the internet, you do have to be careful how you use it....
                              Graham has really "hit the nail on the head" with his above comment.

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