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Chris Fries
Master Film Handler
Posts: 399
From: Ohio, US
Registered: Aug 2011
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posted March 13, 2012 04:47 AM
And so the debate rages on...
Brad,
I agree with you but John, John and Michael do have a valid point. I am posting video of films that I did not make. Each time I upload a digest, I am, as Mr. Clancy said some time ago, playing with fire.
That said, I have been doing this for about a year now. In that time, out of the many films I posted, I have have ten films that were blocked worldwide. The latest casualty is the 2x400 "JAWS". After nearly six months on Youtube I guess someone at Universal finally saw it was there and pulled it. Yet my 200' of the same film remains untouched and unnoticed. Was it just random checking that it was removed? Why did they not look at the rest of my videos? If they really cared about their films, why did Universal not remove "Jaws 2", "1941", "Airport", "Airport 77", "Earthquake", "The Hindenburg", "The Sting", "Psycho", "The Birds", "Animal House", "The Incredible Shrinking Woman" and my they-didn't-make-one-so-I-did digest of "Rollercoaster"? Most of these don't even have a "Matched Third Party Content". And for all the films that did get blocked, only one, "Once Upon A Time...", resulted in a strike.
And as for Disney, Mr. Clancy has said many times that they take pirating very seriously. If this is so, then why have none of my Disney digests ever been removed? Why can anyone go to Youtube and watch nearly every full-length animated Disney film ever made? In multiple languages? Films that have been up there for months and sometimes years?
None of it makes any sense.
So, I suppose the real question here is weather I continue to post film digests or pull them all and just use Youtube for personal videos.
As I stated before, I would like to continue posting as long as I can. I suppose if I get any more strikes, they may all go away.
What do all of you think? Would you like to see more digests? With, as suggested, the possible risk of me losing my Youtube account or worse? Or should I stop completely and never post another digest again? I will say that I have many subscribers who would be quite upset with the latter.
Here is my latest digest while you think about it.
Walt Disney's 17th animated classic from 1961, "101 Dalmatians".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jj5uKwt4Sa4
Enjoy!
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There's a great big beautiful tomorrow just a dream away.
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Hugh Thompson Scott
Film God
Posts: 3063
From: Gt. Clifton,Cumbria,England
Registered: Jan 2012
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posted March 13, 2012 07:43 PM
Brad,I'm afraid Michael is right.These people are not in any way,
shape or form interested in your hobby,but they are interested
in protecting what is theirs.THEFT IS THEFT and that is what they
see this as.A young man has been extradicted to the US to face
the very same charges,and his site was only a sign post to other
sites much the same as Google does,but they've pounced on this
kid to make no doubt an example.Where they get the idea that the US rule the internet beats me,but as long as the UK has
Prime Ministers that grovel to the powers that be in America
I'm afraid this state of affairs will continue.If I were you Chris
FOR CHRIST SAKE PACK IT IN!Before they come to take you to
jail,These people have the powers to confiscate, never mind blocking channels etc.You're going to get yourself in serious
trouble son and for what? IF people want to know about this hobby,then let them find out for themselves,you are not a
public service,and I don't see the point of putting yourself and
your Home in harms way,these are professionals and would take
delight in taking you apart.So please take on board what I've
said.They view these things very abstract and not always in a
clear cut straight forward, rational way you or I would.They are
lawyers,where once robbers had cudgels & knives,they have
been swopped for cell phones and desks,don't give them the
pleasure.By the way our Prime Minister is visiting the White House,how many films do you want to keep him.
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Graham Ritchie
Film God
Posts: 4001
From: New Zealand
Registered: Feb 2006
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posted March 14, 2012 03:33 AM
Interesting comments, just read the back of an old MGM digest "Anchor Aweigh"
It says
This is a copyrighted motion film which may only be licensed for private, non-commercial home movie use. All other rights, privileges and licenses including, but not limited to television, theatrical and commercial rights are expressly reserved.
I am afraid that pretty much sums it up "legal wise" ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
However ![[Smile]](smile.gif) as far as putting on a film show thats not at home, I would still do it, providing you dont charge at the door, but if some folk just happen to donate for petrol etc, "that type of thing" ![[Wink]](wink.gif) then go for it .
We all break copyright laws sometime, taping from TV...CD..even of old LP records, its all by rights illegal. The problem with the "internet" is that its out there for everyone to see and that can make things it a bit tricky.
I once put on a film show for a group and let it slip, that by doing this it was probably "illegal" to a elderly lady......she looked at me and said, it might be... but we all enjoyed it. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
Graham.
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Hugh Thompson Scott
Film God
Posts: 3063
From: Gt. Clifton,Cumbria,England
Registered: Jan 2012
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posted March 14, 2012 04:32 AM
I have to be the "deviils advocate",and say that if you screen
these things publically,for whatever reason,electronically or
otherwise,you are infringing their copyright.It does say that
on containers for the film and usually there is a threat or warning
on the film proper.Now you have to be potentially stupid or
extremely foolhardy to flout that warning,it wasn't put there for
laughs.That is why all airline prints were returned after use, was
either to be stored or destroyed,either way,we aren't supposed
to have them no rights have been given.The package movies
you own don't give you the right to show them where you will
it does say that on the box.In the UK showing films publically
requires you to have an exhibitors licence,or you are breaking the law.No doubt Brad, you own various music recordings,but
that doesn't give you the right to play them publically.I realise
in some respects that it is a "King Canute" law,meaning one that would be difficult to enforce,but give these people a loophole and that is all they need. To be honest I don't know
what Chris is trying to achive by putting himself on a limb as
actually he is doing the hobby a disservice by showing red
prints et al flickering images where excuses have to be made for the poor image on show,and that is not presenting the hobby at it's best and to top it off on a small computer screen.So my
advice Chris would be this, TAKE ALL THOSE FILMS OFF THE SITE NOW,NOT TOMORROW BUT NOW.The people who are probably writing out your summons now will be using all the
warnings you've been given on this forum as ammunition in
a court of law,and so removing any plea of ignorance.We don't
want to know of the next bloody digest you're going to put up
call it a day and try to keep whats yours before it becomes theirs. The simple annomaly is if you walk into a dept. store
and pick up some paltry item worth ten cents and put it in
your pocket without payment,that same store will prosicute you
even though they are a multi million $ firm,you have taken from
them and you must pay and i've got to say when it comes down
to money in America.there are people that would put Shylock
to shame,lawyers take no prisoners,i can't put it simpler than
that Chris people like John,Michael,Graham,myself and some
others are only trying to protect you.I have 17 years of experience protecting people as a Union rep so I have some idea on how these people think.Please take them off air and just
use "You Tube" for your own stuff.YOU KNOW IT MAKES SENSE.
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Hugh Thompson Scott
Film God
Posts: 3063
From: Gt. Clifton,Cumbria,England
Registered: Jan 2012
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posted March 14, 2012 03:55 PM
John,we've all tried to help Chris,but if he doesn't want it,then I'm
afraid there isn't a lot we can do.The pitfalls were pointed out by
your goodself and others including myself, it's now up to Chris.
Advice can only be of use if it's taken and the way things are starting to pick up speed,I really feel helpless, but theres nothing
we can do,it's up to him.
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Hugh Thompson Scott
Film God
Posts: 3063
From: Gt. Clifton,Cumbria,England
Registered: Jan 2012
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posted March 15, 2012 02:02 PM
Chris,I came on strong and I put that down to my builders
background and it isn't my intention to hurt or offend anyone
and if I have, I apologise.Its just when you see a hazard,it's
difficult not to raise the alarm and point it out.The last thing
anyone on this forum wants to see is one of its number falling
foul of the law and into lawyers,solicitors,barristers hands call
them what you will,but they all have one thing in common, and
that is to hurt people financially or punitively and I hope that
can be avoided.We all have your best interests at heart and I
am sorry if I have caused offence.
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James N. Savage 3
Phenomenal Film Handler
Posts: 1375
From: Washington, DC
Registered: Jul 2003
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posted August 27, 2013 11:46 AM
Chris-
Thanks for the uploads. Its fun to reminisce. Some I still have and enjoy, and others I've wanted to see, but never had opportunity.
So many of these movies are on YouTube already in full length, HD. It would be amazing to see a studio feel that they are being "ripped-off" by someone putting an old weather-beaten 10 minute digest up. I don't see it. Like in anything, its always good to be careful. I probably wouldn't put Derann's full-length Star Wars in scope .
P.S.- Someone's putting "remade-digests", from digital source, on YouTube. The quality is good, but the effect just isn't the same. It somehow loses some of the nestalgia. I like the way you've been presenting them- straight from film, complete with fade & splices. Honestly, its just more fun to watch these digests like that!
James.
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