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John Clancy
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 - posted March 14, 2012 03:54 AM      Profile for John Clancy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
You should have taken my advice ages ago Mr. Fries and made the YouTube posts visible only to those that had the link. Then people from here could take a look and hardly anyone else - you probably would have got away with that.

I think you've got carried away with people saying how wonderful it is to see these videos. Don't be fooled by this encouragement by people who are taking no risks themselves.

This has all rather put me on edge because I don't wish to see you get in hot water. I've warned you several times and now thankfully others are offering the same advice. Please cease what you are doing and remove the illegal items there's a good chap.

Having said that, if there is a big court case over this and it makes it into the news then you could give the film collecting hobby a big advert.

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Hugh Thompson Scott
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I have to be the "deviils advocate",and say that if you screen
these things publically,for whatever reason,electronically or
otherwise,you are infringing their copyright.It does say that
on containers for the film and usually there is a threat or warning
on the film proper.Now you have to be potentially stupid or
extremely foolhardy to flout that warning,it wasn't put there for
laughs.That is why all airline prints were returned after use, was
either to be stored or destroyed,either way,we aren't supposed
to have them no rights have been given.The package movies
you own don't give you the right to show them where you will
it does say that on the box.In the UK showing films publically
requires you to have an exhibitors licence,or you are breaking the law.No doubt Brad, you own various music recordings,but
that doesn't give you the right to play them publically.I realise
in some respects that it is a "King Canute" law,meaning one that would be difficult to enforce,but give these people a loophole and that is all they need. To be honest I don't know
what Chris is trying to achive by putting himself on a limb as
actually he is doing the hobby a disservice by showing red
prints et al flickering images where excuses have to be made for the poor image on show,and that is not presenting the hobby at it's best and to top it off on a small computer screen.So my
advice Chris would be this, TAKE ALL THOSE FILMS OFF THE SITE NOW,NOT TOMORROW BUT NOW.The people who are probably writing out your summons now will be using all the
warnings you've been given on this forum as ammunition in
a court of law,and so removing any plea of ignorance.We don't
want to know of the next bloody digest you're going to put up
call it a day and try to keep whats yours before it becomes theirs. The simple annomaly is if you walk into a dept. store
and pick up some paltry item worth ten cents and put it in
your pocket without payment,that same store will prosicute you
even though they are a multi million $ firm,you have taken from
them and you must pay and i've got to say when it comes down
to money in America.there are people that would put Shylock
to shame,lawyers take no prisoners,i can't put it simpler than
that Chris people like John,Michael,Graham,myself and some
others are only trying to protect you.I have 17 years of experience protecting people as a Union rep so I have some idea on how these people think.Please take them off air and just
use "You Tube" for your own stuff.YOU KNOW IT MAKES SENSE.

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John Clancy
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I think the above post is a perfect summary. I thought of something else after my post this morning which should help bring it home:

Putting a video on YouTube is the same in law as broadcasting on television. Actually, that is exactly what you are doing so we all need to be really careful what we put up there. Just because the impression the web gives is that you are posting something for your mates does not make it so in the eyes of the law.

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Hugh Thompson Scott
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John,we've all tried to help Chris,but if he doesn't want it,then I'm
afraid there isn't a lot we can do.The pitfalls were pointed out by
your goodself and others including myself, it's now up to Chris.
Advice can only be of use if it's taken and the way things are starting to pick up speed,I really feel helpless, but theres nothing
we can do,it's up to him.

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Hugh Thompson Scott
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Chris,I came on strong and I put that down to my builders
background and it isn't my intention to hurt or offend anyone
and if I have, I apologise.Its just when you see a hazard,it's
difficult not to raise the alarm and point it out.The last thing
anyone on this forum wants to see is one of its number falling
foul of the law and into lawyers,solicitors,barristers hands call
them what you will,but they all have one thing in common, and
that is to hurt people financially or punitively and I hope that
can be avoided.We all have your best interests at heart and I
am sorry if I have caused offence.

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Chris Fries
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 - posted March 16, 2012 10:12 AM      Profile for Chris Fries     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I want to thank everyone for their support and advice.

Chris

[ August 23, 2013, 01:18 PM: Message edited by: Chris Fries ]

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Chris Fries
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Hello everybody,

I've been away but now I'm back.

I have decided to post digests on YouTube again.

The legality of doing so has been debated to death. I'm sure the debate will continue. That's fine.

If any video gets flagged for a copyright violation (music or image) it will be removed.

As before, these videos are for educational purposes only. They are for anyone who wants to see a digest they have never seen or one they no longer have and would like to see again. Perhaps they own it but don't feel like setting up their projector. Maybe they need the soundtrack if it's damaged.

The quality is not perfect. I do not have telecine equipment. They are what they are. If you love them, great. If you hate them, great.

The first video is one my most favorite digests. The great MGM classic from 1976. Oscar-winner for best visual effects. It also features a quick nude shot of Jenny Agutter. [Smile]

"Logan's Run"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vq9oGlR2xGg

There is a YouTuber called Savage Cinema. They put together a playlist called "All Killer No Filler - Super 8 Digests". This collection has a very nice transfer of "ALIEN" from TimelessMoments and many Castle Films digests from someone called 2reelers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aD7aAe9X4M&list=PLAD6AB0F033F5B17E

Enjoy!

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Joe McAllister
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Unlike the posting of full features uploading excerpts trailers etc is not a clear cut breech of copyright. I remember seeing a review of a DVD made up of transfers of the castle universal horror films which are apparently "public domain" in the US at least, this was when the full length originals were still being claimed as copyright. This was because the short version was classed as a seperate work. Therefore I wouldn't be surprised to discover that other 8mm digests are also non copyright as in the case of trailers. Reviewing the extract for content or quality may also bring the extract into the area of "fair use" which allows the use of extracts for criticism. As channel 4 in England did when they broadcast a programme about "Clockwork Orange" despite Kubrick claiming it would be contravening his copyright.
It also doesn't surprise me that the owners of the original versions would be upset even if they had no legal basis to complain.

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Graham Ritchie
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Dont forget... Farrah Fawcett [Big Grin]

I bought "Logan's Run" when it was first released, but sold it just over 30 years ago [Frown] ...

Apart from a bit of fade, your you-tube video of it looks pretty good. Considering they had to edit the feature down to almost 18 minutes the editor did a good job.

Watching it again certainly brought back memories [Smile]

Graham.

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Chris Fries
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Glad you enjoyed it, Graham.

Yes, I think it's a good edit. Most of the MGM's are. One of my favorite edits is the COMA digest. I may post that soon.

'Til then....

"If you've only seen it once, you haven't seen it at all."

The Poseidon Adventure

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2YD4CqTPNQ

One of the first digests I purchased in 1985. I got it for $3. My library sold all of their 8mm films. I was the only one still borrowing them. VHS video took over the A/V dept.

Of the three copies I have, this first is the best. It's a bit beat up but it's the only one that still has good color.

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James N. Savage 3
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Chris-

Thanks for the uploads. Its fun to reminisce. Some I still have and enjoy, and others I've wanted to see, but never had opportunity.

So many of these movies are on YouTube already in full length, HD. It would be amazing to see a studio feel that they are being "ripped-off" by someone putting an old weather-beaten 10 minute digest up. I don't see it. Like in anything, its always good to be careful. I probably wouldn't put Derann's full-length Star Wars in scope [Wink] .

P.S.- Someone's putting "remade-digests", from digital source, on YouTube. The quality is good, but the effect just isn't the same. It somehow loses some of the nestalgia. I like the way you've been presenting them- straight from film, complete with fade & splices. Honestly, its just more fun to watch these digests like that!

James.

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Brad Kimball
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I love watching these. Saves on the projector bulb when I just want to pass 30 minutes or so. No assembly required, either. Chris, there are so many full length movies out there on Y/T and other similar sites in parts (part 1, part 2, etc.) that I don't know why anyone would take exception to a digest. You're not charging admission and Y/T isn't paying you so there's no finacial benefit for you in any way. I would think they're more apt to go after serious bootleggers and not someone putting several minutes of a movie on the web. Otherwise they may as well shut down YouTube and DailyMotion and all the other sites that people upload studio-made stuff on. Thanks for posting the digests. Very enjoyable.

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Chris Fries
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Thanks James & Brad.

[ August 29, 2013, 04:17 PM: Message edited by: Chris Fries ]

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Hugh Thompson Scott
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Joe has a point, but remember in the case of "A Clockwork Orange", it was the author of the piece Anthony Burgess that wielded the power,
and so it was not shown for years, also in the case of "Quatermass
2" with Nigel Kneale, the author, so be careful, it is a legal minefield.

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Laksmi Breathwaite
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Do you have HERCULES digest or can you get it?

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Chris Fries
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Sorry, Laksmi.

I do not have a digest for the 1958 "Hercules". The only Derann film I own is the 600' "Raise the Titanic". I've not seen "Hercules" for sale online or from anyone here.

Does anyone have a copy they would like to sell or share as a video?

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Laksmi Breathwaite
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Terry Lagler must have it he did a review . 1X400’ on Fuji Stock
DERANN release
Super 8 English sound

http://8mmforum.film-tech.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=4;t=000516

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Chris Fries
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Today's digest is "Beneath the Planet of the Apes".

It's the black & white silent version.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hG8MqKeAJSo

I picked the music from a YouTube list. I think it works well.

Enjoy!

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Hugh Thompson Scott
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Laksmi, I am trying for this digest for you, but when it was available, where were you?

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Robert Crewdson
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Just been reading the comments about copyright. What percentage of people own the copyright to the videos they post. You can download virtually any song or piece of music you can think off. Watch Abbott & Costello in films copyrighted by Universal. I posted some footage I took of R.A.F. air displays in the 70s, and got a message from Youtube saying my clips might be copyrighted. I own the copyright. I posted a recording from an obscure British record label more than 80 years old and received a message saying the ownership of the recording may belong to some media company in New Zealand.

It's not worth the risk posting Super 8 digests on Youtube, I think the laws would be a lot harsher in the US than the UK.

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Laksmi Breathwaite
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Hugh I'm right here! When was it available ? All you need to do is sent me a PM.I just want digest of HERCULES.

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Chris Fries
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My favorite film is "The Poseidon Adventure" but I like this one too.

"The Towering Inferno". The highest grossing film of 1974.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L40BBouXq4Y

I prefer the 3x400, which I may post, but the single 400' is a decent edit. It even includes a snip of the Academy Award-winning song "We May Never Love Like This Again" !

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Chris Fries
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As I said a few years ago, the editors did a great job on this digest. It's one of my favorites.

"The African Queen"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cbr7IISnxiQ

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Chris Fries
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Here's a fun film from 1979.

"Love at First Bite"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NtI3uY-eKA

The film is actually very red. I put two layers of blue cellophane over the lens.

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Chris Fries
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Halloween is right around the corner so here's a little horror flick from 1979.

THE AMITYVILLE HORROR

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8IhgyycPdg

This is the second copy I had. The first was completely faded. Sold both of them a few years ago.

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