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Winbert Hutahaean
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- posted March 09, 2010 12:15 AM      Profile for Winbert Hutahaean     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi all,

I need your confirmation, did Blackhawk release sound film in silent version reel as were done by many companies like Ken or Castle (for selling at cheaper price).

If you are not sure the answer, OK, I am specifically addressing the question for Laurel & Hardy and Our Gang/Little Rascals series.

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Joe Caruso
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- posted March 09, 2010 09:27 AM      Profile for Joe Caruso     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
For those theatres not yet equipped for sound transition, yes, Blackhawk did release several early Roach films in silent versions - Had a few myself, nice prints as always - Cheers, Shorty

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Michael O'Regan
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- posted March 09, 2010 09:43 AM      Profile for Michael O'Regan   Email Michael O'Regan   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 


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Winbert Hutahaean
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- posted March 09, 2010 12:59 PM      Profile for Winbert Hutahaean     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Thanks Joe,

I did ask this because I am only collecting sound films (I hate watching silent films, sorry Dino [Smile] ) and my most interest is L&H and Our gang/Little Rascals.

There are many of their films are now sold at Ebay, I always ask for the cat# which if it is started with 880* then it must be super 8 and sound.

But the difficult one is if the original box is missing and asking the seller to check the magnetic strip would create another headache.

Lately, I just go to imdb to check the title and find if the said film was made in sound or silent. But then I was afraid that Blackhwak might have released sound film in silent version.

So, Joe, because you are only confriming the theatre releases, can you or other members tell me if L&H and Our Gang/Little Rascals were all printed sound if they were made originally in sound?

thanks

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John Skujins
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- posted March 09, 2010 01:09 PM      Profile for John Skujins   Email John Skujins   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Yes, Blackhawk did release some films in both sound and silent versions. Sometimes the silent versions were longer because of added titles. I don't know about L&H or Little Rascals in particular.

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Wayne Tuell
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- posted March 09, 2010 01:26 PM      Profile for Wayne Tuell   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I have a BlackHawk silent version of the sound short of The Little Rascals Hook And Ladder in S8mm. I tend not to watch it since I also own a sound version.

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Joe Caruso
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- posted March 09, 2010 04:17 PM      Profile for Joe Caruso     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Theatre releases, for those that had no sound equipment, Roach printed several sound films in silent to accomodate - When I am unsure of a film that has no accompanying box, I ask the seller to unravel the film and see if a brown stripe is running along either or both sides of the film - Usually this means a "scored" or "talkie", though on rare occasions, it can mean a blank sound-stripe with which one can record their own sondtracks. This is why I've long been a stickler for original boxes, which tell the tale more often than not - Since I've been with Blackhawk collecting many years, I pretty much know their releases and what was or wasn't scored (in the case of silents), so when there is no box, I go to work as a detective - Shorty

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Dino Everette
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- posted March 10, 2010 01:10 AM      Profile for Dino Everette     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Winbert, ha ha not a problem..That's just the beauty of films yet again.....The one to one relationship means I would NEVER press my love of silents on anyone, we just cannot be friends or even be in the same room at the same time. [Razz]

just kidding [Big Grin]

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Gary Crawford
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- posted March 10, 2010 08:44 AM      Profile for Gary Crawford     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
My experience with silents is odd, to say the least. When faced with a choice, I seem to gravitate to sound vs. a silent film, and sometimes just don't want to mess with either a totally silent film, or one of mine that has a tape accompaniment score... and even when the print is scored , I still tend to be mentally lazy and put on the talkie. It does take more mental energy and patience and attention to sit through a silent film, ESPECIALLY, a non comedy feature. HOWEVER, I have found almost every time at conventions like Syracuse and Columbus that when I commit to sit down and watch a silent film, particularly with live accompaniment, I am so richly rewarded for the effort. The silents almost always pack a greater emotional punch that the talkies....almost always. After viewing one I enjoy I make a note to find a print for myself. When I do, it almost always is received with great joy...put on the shelf..and is never projected. Except for one and two reel comedies ......those I can take anytime.
Like almost any art form, it takes dedication, mental work and attention to enjoy the richness of some of the great silent features . I many times lack that dedication. When you, Dino, do one of those wonderful reviews of a silent film that may have in my collection, it triggers the thought, " oh, I should get that out and run it". But I rarely have the time or energy to do it. You can't watch a great silent like Sparrows or Sunrise...in 7 minute increments over two weeks. Really kills the whole experience.

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John W. Black
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- posted March 10, 2010 11:51 AM      Profile for John W. Black   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
My collection is over 60% silent.Sometimes you can just lose yourself in a silent classic

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Brad Kimball
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- posted March 10, 2010 03:11 PM      Profile for Brad Kimball   Email Brad Kimball   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I used to show silents to seniors at a nursing home and it went over well. Hearing impaired also appreciate subtitled versions of classic talkies so the old KEN, COLUMBIA & CASTLE silent editions come in handy from time to time and usually are much appreciated.

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Bill Phelps
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I have the full length film 'M' by Blackhawk. It is a silent version of a sound film. (with super imposed titles that most of the time you can't even read)

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Joe Caruso
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Silents required acting, real acting. With the advent of sound, voices downsided much of the emotional pull one registers with the face (though greater players could accomplish both) - Thing is, a silent with proper music/effects track is a notch above the rest - Gary, if you have any 8mm to bring, I'll see you

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Michael O'Regan
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- posted March 11, 2010 08:36 AM      Profile for Michael O'Regan   Email Michael O'Regan   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I find the silent film visually beautiful, particularly into the 20's. The films are engrossing in a way that no sound film has ever been for me.
They contained visual poetry like no sound film has produced since.
Take a look at DW Griffiths Biograph short - A CORNER IN WHEAT from 1909 for a deeply moving final scene which is purely visual.

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Joe Caruso
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I have a gorgeous Super 8 of WHEAT, scored too, - Magnificent ending

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Michael O'Regan
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- posted March 11, 2010 12:34 PM      Profile for Michael O'Regan   Email Michael O'Regan   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Oh, nice.
Did Blackhawk release that?

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Winbert Hutahaean
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- posted March 11, 2010 02:38 PM      Profile for Winbert Hutahaean     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Michael, ...

You finally need to start collecting 8mm my friend ... [Big Grin]

cheers,

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Michael O'Regan
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- posted March 11, 2010 02:42 PM      Profile for Michael O'Regan   Email Michael O'Regan   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I think I may be about to......

[Wink]

well, it would be a return to S8 - I used to collect way back in my early teens.

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Joe Caruso
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Hey, yet another convert! Yes, WHEAT and a representative number of Griffith's finest were released from B in Super 8, many with a fabulous music track and ALWAYS the clearest prints - Griffith negs were apparently second only to the Roach pre-print - Much Std 8 is equally absorbing

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Michael O'Regan
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- posted March 11, 2010 04:57 PM      Profile for Michael O'Regan   Email Michael O'Regan   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
What kinda prices do those Griffith Blackhawks fetch?

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Michael O'Regan
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- posted March 12, 2010 02:38 PM      Profile for Michael O'Regan   Email Michael O'Regan   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Aw, crap!!
The Sankyo 800 I had my eye on has been sold [Frown]
Possible return to S8 delayed.....

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Joe Caruso
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Average, 20 and up

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