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Topic: Airline print was stil made until 1987 ! (or ?)
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Winbert Hutahaean
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From: Nouméa, New Caledonia
Registered: Jun 2003
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posted August 08, 2005 05:15 AM
quote: And no, there wouldn't have been any twin-track airline projectors, since super-8 optical only has room for one sound track. I seriously doubt they went as far as squeezing another optical track next to the sprocket holes,
Jan, Mike has ever quoted from the Magazine Film for the Collector which specifically mention that Optical Airline prints have 2 track. Here I quote again
quote: If you compare an 8mm Optical Print made in the UK against an American print, you will note that the optical track is almost pure black and white, whereas the track on a British print is dark blue. This results in the British track giving a lower level of volume and certainly more track noise, hiss and plops. Rank would never give any reason for not coating the optical tracks on 8mm prints. I hasten to add, that all 16mm prints made by the lab at the lab at that time, were coated to give optimum performances. One can only assume that in their opinion, 8mm was just not important enough for them to provide this extra service.
I was then told that a lot of the prints carried multi-tracks; the main track always being in English. But, on some prints there was another track, just on the edge of the sprocket holes, much like the balance track on a magnetic print, and this track was mostly French, German or Spanish.
Thanks
[ June 07, 2014, 02:18 PM: Message edited by: Winbert Hutahaean ]
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Osi Osgood
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posted August 08, 2005 11:14 AM
The soundtrack is the only let down when it comes to optical sound super 8. Especially with the British releases, which have high points for sharpness, but, as the article says, "more plops and hisses"., which is true.
Most of the american releases have good booming sound, but a lot of that can also be due to assorted machines. My Copal has very low optical sound output, while my Yashica has louder sound and more "bottom"to the soundtrack. I'd love t get one of those GS1200D mag/optic super 8's, as I'm sure it would be the creme ala creme of optical sound.
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Osi Osgood
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From: Mountian Home, ID.
Registered: Jul 2005
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posted August 08, 2005 03:18 PM
Personally, I like the fact that in some cases they were edited were language. Not everyone is as well edited, though. "Yellowbeard" has a little female upper body nudity, for instance, and films like, "Tender Mercies" have s**t edited out, but still have godammit in them. But then, they had to be careful, as you never knew whether children would be in first class listening to these films, and in most (but not all cases) the profanities were not important to the story framework. As a scriptwriter myself, I feel lots of profanities and nudity are merely a crutch to appeal to the lowest common intellect and show a lack of creativity. Besides, it's not the first time that films have been edited in super 8 (Now there's a DUH!! issue). It's always seemed strange that people who have been brought up on "digests" for years, would have a problem with some editing. Occasionally it does make a difference. I watched "48 Hours" on TV, (edited) and the words they used instead of the original profanities were not good choices, and took a lot of humour out of some otherwise very funny scenes.
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Osi Osgood
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posted August 09, 2005 11:30 AM
I agree with both points, actually. I have a print of Superman 3 on optical, and ne little scene was completely cut: Clark Kent is at the bowling alley and when his girlfriend has her back turned, he uses his "super-breath" (hopefully, he hasn't eaten onions!) to cause the pins to go down, but actually completely shatters them! I thought it was about the funniest moment in the film. True, the scene didn't actually continue the plot in anyway, but I miss it, just the same.
As I had stated at an earlier time, I've found that the English versions, (because, I believe the same movies were sent out at times by both american and UK printers), and the UK versions will be longer, due to less severe editing. My UK print of "Island of Dr. Moreauh" (didn't spell that right), has a whole subplot involving Barbera Carrera (drool), that has no nudity, just sugstive, which is completely missing from the American print that I had, and comprised about 6 minutes!
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