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Ben Wallach
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From: Ramat Gan, Israel
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posted December 29, 2009 03:43 PM

Hello, as you can all see I am new to the forum and much to my misfortune I simply cannot find the forum rules! So please forgive me just this once if I break any of them (I would also appreciate a link)

First of all, I don't know the first thing about 8mm films so let me apologize in advance if this question is ridiculous.

I recently moved into my grandparents' old house and much to my surprise I found an Eumig Mark S-709 in one of the closets. I plugged it in and it seems to be working.

With the projector were two large bags of films and a few empty rolls. I would really love to see those films.

I read all I could about the projector, I managed to get a copy of the manual in French but I still have one basic problem:

It won't roll the film.

I followed the instructions in the manual but the film just won't start rolling. The empty roll I mounted on the back begins to roll but the film doesn't get "taken" by the projector. I understand that this projector has automatic threading but it simply doesn't work for me.

Any advice?

I'm sorry if my description is vague, I'm afraid I lack the vocabulary to properly illustrate my problem.

Thank you all for your time.

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John Davis
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From: Dunfermline, Fife, UK
Registered: Jun 2008

posted December 29, 2009 04:35 PM

Hi Ben,
I assuming the projector is the dual gauge model - in which case do you have the appropiate sprockets and gate set in for the format you want to watch? - be especially careful changing the gate set as the claw should be retracted to avoid risk of damage - this is achieved by turning the inching knob so that the dot is at the top (double check this with the manual).

John

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Ben Wallach
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posted December 30, 2009 12:39 AM

Hello John thank you for the reply.
I tried both sets of sprockets but still, nothing works. What could I be doing wrong?

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John W. Black
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From: Deptford,N.J.
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posted December 30, 2009 01:17 AM

Are the sprokets turning? If so,after the film passes them,it must be manuelly threaded through the slot.

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Dino Everette
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posted December 30, 2009 01:32 AM

OK so the sets of sprockets are important to get correct so as to not damage anything...But if you know you have the correct sprockets wheels on for the film you are using and you changed out the gate properly so as to NOT break off the claw AND you are placing the reel of film on the arm correctly (The sprockets should be out on the side closest to you, then check a few things for me...
1 - Is the initial wheel actually turning? If so great that means it is working properly so you should make sure the little clamp underneath the sprocket wheel is clamped. Also make sure you are feeding the film straight in and that the head of the film you are threading is cut cleanly (most projectors have a little clipper on them)...

2 - Make sure to hold down the threading mechanism until the film spits out of the bottom of the gate.

3 - If the film has spit out of the bottom of the gate you can move on

4 - you'll want to slip the film back in through the slot load, making sure the 2nd sprocket wheel clamp is open while you thread, and then clamp it.

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Ben Wallach
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From: Ramat Gan, Israel
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posted December 30, 2009 01:48 AM

The sprockets are turning. I am not 100% sure that I have the right ones on, how can I be certain that the film is Super-8, not regular 8?
The problem is with the first sprocket, the film isn't spit out of the gate and the clamp underneath the sprocket is closed.

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Dino Everette
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From: Long Beach, CA USA
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posted December 30, 2009 02:15 AM

I believe on the 709 it is all color coordinated so make sure the colors match, sometimes the eumig super 8 gate has an "S" on the side.

Check your film against this pic

The sprocket holes as you can see on super 8 are much smaller. If you still have trouble figuring out which set of sprocket wheels to use, you could hold one in your hand and try to match the film you have with it by placing the film directly on the sprocket wheel in your hand. If the film won't set clean ob the little sprocket peaks then try the other one...Whichever one the film sits cleanly on should be the match....

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Ben Wallach
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From: Ramat Gan, Israel
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posted December 30, 2009 09:38 AM

I rolled a few meters of film but I don't see any sprocket holes, what could this mean?

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John Whittle
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posted December 30, 2009 10:04 AM

Do you see pictures on the film? Without sprocket holes, it's not motion picture film.

John

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Ben Wallach
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From: Ramat Gan, Israel
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posted December 30, 2009 10:07 AM

I do not see pictures on the film, could this be an audio cassette? I did see on some of the boxes Magnetophonband, does it mean that I wasted hours of my time trying to thread a cassette into a projector?^^
Maybe I need to roll more out (I only rolled a few meters..) But is it possible to play something with no sprocket holes?
Thank you,
Ben

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Christian Bjorgen
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posted December 30, 2009 10:52 AM

If the tape/reels look anything like this:
http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/luminis/luminis0611/luminis061100102/643653.jpg

Then yes, it's audiotape [Wink]

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Ben Wallach
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From: Ramat Gan, Israel
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posted December 30, 2009 10:56 AM

Now that's what I call a LOT of wasted time! Thanks for the help ;-) I guess it's audio tape, makes me wonder why my grandfather (or great grandfather, can't be sure ;-) wrote Super-8 on some of the films.. Meh..
Thanks again,
Ben

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John Davis
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From: Dunfermline, Fife, UK
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posted December 30, 2009 11:55 AM

Hi Ben,
your Grandfather may have played the soundtrack to his films 'wild' on a separate reel to reel tape recorder.
Don't feel too daft about the audio tape mix-up it's a common mistake, compounded by the fact that a the standard 8 reel will happily fit on a reel to reel recorder.
I often been given films to run on Philips or TDK reels!
I hope you find your Grandfather's films,
John

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