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Michael O'Regan
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posted September 20, 2010 02:37 PM

Who released this on Super 8, feature length?

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Antonis Galanakis
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posted September 20, 2010 03:02 PM

I have it on super 8mm BW silent 3x400ft reels running on 18fps by Blackhawk Films.

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Michael O'Regan
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posted September 20, 2010 04:37 PM

Was there a Blackhawk sound release?

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Guy Tessier
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posted September 20, 2010 06:00 PM

Hi Michael - a mate of mine has a lot of Harold Lloyd full length features on Super 8 sound. They are Time Life prints. They are "in storage" at the moment - but he's pretty sure Safety Last is one of them. I seem to remember Blackhawk advertising it but as was the case with a lot of their titles the copyright meant they would not sell to Australia so I never got one. I'm doing an inventory of his films in the near future as he may sell off a lot of his collection. Keep watching here.
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Yanis Tzortzis
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posted September 21, 2010 03:22 AM

Yes there was a Blackhawk sound release-I own a copy in original box [Smile]

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Antonis Galanakis
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posted September 21, 2010 05:15 AM

You lucky...... my friend!

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Michael O'Regan
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posted September 21, 2010 09:24 AM

Great, thanks fellas.

I just picked up the sound version on ebay.Looking forward to it.

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Tony Stucchio
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posted September 21, 2010 06:28 PM

Keep in mind that the Blackhawk/Time-Life version is slightly edited. Unless you've seen the full-length version recently or have memorized it, you wouldn't suspect that anything was cut out.
To my knowledge, a full-length version was never released in 8mm.

I've found that to be the case with WHY WORRY? and THE FRESHMAN as well -- the cuts are very well-done.

WHY WORRY?, btw, is just as good as SAFETY LAST. If you haven't seen it, it is worth seeking out. Someone is offering it on eBay right now. It is my favorite Harold Lloyd film.

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John Clancy
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posted September 22, 2010 02:55 AM

I agree with regards to 'Why Worry'. Probably Lloyd's best film. But then I like all of them.

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Michael O'Regan
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posted September 22, 2010 12:59 PM

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Keep in mind that the Blackhawk/Time-Life version is slightly edited.

Yes, that is the one thing that almost deterred me from buying this print. I hate edited versions of any film.
But, until I can afford a decent 16mm print of this one, I'll settle for this one.
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Tony Stucchio
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posted September 22, 2010 06:11 PM

Michael,

Every print of SAFETY LAST I've seen offered in 16mm is also the Time-Life cut. On many occasions sellers have listed Time-Life Lloyds as "complete", and I've often pointed out to them that it was not complete. Most doubted me. Oh well.

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Michael O'Regan
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posted September 23, 2010 01:23 AM

Hi Tony,

How much is missing on the edited prints?

My feeling is that there should be some complete prints out there somewhere on 16mm - TV prints perhaps?

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Rob Koeling
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posted September 23, 2010 04:18 AM

Michael,

There must be about 10 minutes missing. Having said that, it is not really noticeable if you don't know the original cut. I used to have the S8 version but sold it (to Yanis I think...) when I found a 16mm print. My understanding is that TimeLife had the rights for it since the early sixties. Any complete prints must therefore be older than that.

I'm waiting for the Lloyd dvd set. As soon as it arrives I will be able to say what is missing from the Time-Life print. I must say that the jazzy score on the TimeLife prints is the most annoying aspect of them.

I have a few R8 prints of Harold Lloyd shorts from Film-Office. Those are marvelous quality. I wonder if they ever released features.

My kids asked just yesterday to see Safety Last again. So will try to get it out for a screening this weekend!

- Rob

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Michael O'Regan
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posted September 23, 2010 04:47 AM

Hi Rob,

I have the full version on VHS but haven't watched it for some time. I probably shall not miss the 10 mins at all.

Thanks for the info.

-Mike

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Brad Kimball
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posted September 23, 2010 01:19 PM

Awwwwww damn! I have several of the Blackhawk/Time-Life Features in Super 8 Sound with beautiful original boxes. Now to find out they're edited? Dammit! It's like finding out there's not really a Santa Claus. Well, I shall still treasure them - it's all I can get right now. As for the music.... I don't recall my Blackhawk prints having the jazzy scores. I'll have to rewatch them - I seem to remember organ scores, but I could be wrong.

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Michael O'Regan
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posted September 23, 2010 02:53 PM

I just had confirmation from a friend that he has a full length 70min version of SAFETY LAST on 16mm - so, they are indeed out there.

One day then...... [Smile]

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Tony Stucchio
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posted September 23, 2010 05:17 PM

I'm sure that they are out there -- but any time I've seen them offered on eBay they were the T-L versions.

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Yanis Tzortzis
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posted September 23, 2010 06:34 PM

Yes Rob-it was me you sold it to [Smile]

...what I really miss about Lloyd are the TV versions with commentary apart from music-found them awsome as a kid....

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John Clancy
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posted September 24, 2010 02:53 AM

'Hooray For Harold Lloyd' was the name of that compilation programme I think. That's what awakened me to this great comedian too. Also led to me getting into Keaton's films simply out of curiosity.

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Yanis Tzortzis
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posted September 24, 2010 03:57 AM

Yes you're right John, I used to make big fun with my friends of the dab-badadabadab-dab-dab sound in the end! Great days [Cool]

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Michael O'Regan
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posted September 25, 2010 06:28 AM

The print I bought has the jazz score with sound effects. It opens with the Hooray for Harold Lloyd theme.

Not quite what I was expecting but a nice print nonetheless.

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Brad Kimball
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posted September 30, 2010 10:17 AM

That's an actor portraying Lloyd in the opening of the show, right? Can't possibly really be him.

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Tony Stucchio
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posted September 30, 2010 07:50 PM

I'm confused. The T-L prints open with a montage of stills from Lloyd's movies.

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Brad Kimball
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posted September 30, 2010 08:35 PM

Tony, I was referring to the opening of the "Hooray For Harold Lloyd" show back in the 80's. It has what I believe is an actor masquerading as Lloyd (and a very good likeness at that) walking around a house (a typical colonial home one would see in the 1920's) doing some little bits of business. The footage is too crisp and fresh looking to be anything 60+ years old and the Lloyd in this footage just doesn't look 100% like Harold. You can tell something is off. You can view the footage if you search "Hooray For Harold Lloyd" on YouTube. The Lloyd features from Time-Life have a jazz-band version of the opening theme from the show without the lyrics being sung by what sounds like a high school madrigal group. The tune is catchy when it's done up-tempo, but the singing is just awful.

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Michael O'Regan
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posted October 01, 2010 01:10 PM

To be honest, I'm now a little confused myself.
Is the Time-Life version identical to the Blackhawk release?

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