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Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on October 10, 2011, 11:42 PM:
I want to thank everyone for their support and advice.
Chris
[ August 23, 2013, 01:16 PM: Message edited by: Chris Fries ]
Posted by Larry Arpin (Member # 744) on October 11, 2011, 11:46 AM:
Thank you Chris for posting these. I left a comment on Earthquake. Some months ago the American Cinematecque showed Earthquake with Sensurround. It was really fun to watch, listen, & experience it again. Will probably get around to watch most of your posts.
Posted by Allan Broadfield (Member # 2298) on October 11, 2011, 01:54 PM:
These digests were so well put together, at a time when this was the nearest one could get to owning a copy of a genuine Hollywood blockbuster. My wife was very understanding, letting me buy some of them, when we were raising a family on a shoestring!
Posted by Colin Robert Hunt (Member # 433) on October 11, 2011, 02:37 PM:
Hard to beleive the prices at the time. Now most have faded and worth next to nothing. Some of my collection has servived and have not bought many of the new releases, but the one's that I have bought have not suffered the fate of the earlier releases. The B&W prints stay the same and at least they can be run without a explanation to why they look so bad.
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on October 11, 2011, 05:42 PM:
I'm so glad everyone is enjoying these. Here's the newest.
"The Wizard of Oz"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Q_-BQlCdws
Enjoy!
Posted by David Kilderry (Member # 549) on October 11, 2011, 08:05 PM:
Wow Chris, your youtube channel front page is not a good advertisement for Eastman Colour!
I am going to watch The Deep. I have had this for over 25 years, but for some reason left it sealed in its shrink wrap. The longer it went the more I thought I should leave it sealed. So to this very day I have never watched the digest........until now.
Posted by Brad Kimball (Member # 5) on October 11, 2011, 09:01 PM:
Hey Chris,
Thanks for posting "Oz". How come there's so much flicker? Is it the upload or is it my pc? The other digests don't seem to have it so much.
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on October 11, 2011, 10:22 PM:
For your viewing pleasure I have just uploaded "Can-Can".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oDNDayHkko
In my opinion, a well edited digest. I tried to post another Shirley MacLaine film,"Sweet Charity", but the server failed. I may try again if anyone wants to see it. As with most Universal 8 musicals, though, not a great edit. Like "Thoroughly Modern Millie", it only has two complete songs. I think Ken Films made better editing choices for all the Fox musicals.
Speaking of Ken Films and Fox musicals, stay tuned. The Academy Award winning Best Picture of 1965 should be up soon.
Brad, The reason for the flicker on the (very red) "Oz" digest is it's the best I can do with my JVC mini DV camcorder. I set the shutter speed to 1/60. There would be way more roll if I didn't. You will notice it in most of the newer uploads. As for those videos with less flicker, they were recorded 25 years ago with a Sony VHS camera. For some reason, it seemed to handle the roll better.
Posted by Brad Kimball (Member # 5) on October 11, 2011, 10:45 PM:
No Worries, Mate! I am delighted just to be able to watch them on line. I feel better knowing that it's not my connection. Thanks again for posting.
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on October 11, 2011, 11:29 PM:
No problem. And now, one of the most popular motion pictures ever made. Loved by millions. Hated by Pauline Kael.
"The Sound of Music"
The short version.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7W_W0Yq2RE
Not too faded but, unfortunately, the sound is a bit muddy.
Posted by Jim Schrader (Member # 9) on October 12, 2011, 12:20 PM:
hi chris great work what kind of projector are you using for these tranfers?
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on October 12, 2011, 12:31 PM:
There are actually two projectors. The films on the videos made from 25 years ago were projected on a Chinon 6100. For the new videos, I use a Sears Sound II.
Posted by Lee Mannering (Member # 728) on October 12, 2011, 01:37 PM:
David.. Open that THE DEEP box and enjoy Jacqueline Bisset in all her glory. What a woman! ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on October 12, 2011, 02:48 PM:
Yes, Jacqueline Bisset was and still is a beautiful woman.
Now, here is a new video. One of my favorite 3x400 digests.
"Clash of the Titans"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GopWzZYvn8A
Enjoy!
Posted by Lee Mannering (Member # 728) on October 13, 2011, 04:46 AM:
Colin. Will be thinking of you over the weekend when we show 'The Elstree Story' having read your old review of it. Mine is also on a 1200ft reel by the way.. ![[Cool]](cool.gif)
Chris. Someone has out done your Star Wars having posted it a couple of years ago and having nearly 2000 Super 8mm Flu-Tube viewings. WOW! I also see someone else has put the HD Blu-Ray disc up so I wouldnt worry so much about your old 8mm cut downs.
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on October 13, 2011, 11:21 AM:
Thanks, Lee. Good to know. But, what's Flu-Tube? I looked it up and couldn't find anything. Can you link it here or share the URL for the other "Star Wars" vid? I'd love to see it.
And now for my new videos.
I posted these last night.
"It Happened One Night". A decent digest but not perfect. It has all that that useless narration. Like, "The fall of the walls of Jericho." Really? At least the print is in good shape.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kszmBpPbwts
"JAWS 2". I just got this yesterday. It, too, is a good digest. It tosses all the Amity town council vs. Brody stuff aside and gets right to the action. And that's perfectly OK. Even better, it's partially letterboxed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhVGom97SYU&feature=related
Have fun!
Stay tuned, there's more to come.
Posted by Colin Robert Hunt (Member # 433) on October 13, 2011, 02:58 PM:
Enjoy The Elstree Story this weekend Lee. Bought this way back on it's original release in the 70's. A very good print & sound. When 8mm prints are good they stay in my collection.
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on October 13, 2011, 03:30 PM:
I've never seen it but The Elstree Story sounds like a really great film. It is a fantastic studio.
And now for something completely different.
"Monty Python and the Holy Grail" has been deleted due to music copyright.
Too bad, really. It's a really fun and shows most of the best bits in just 17. min.
"You can't expect to wield supreme power just 'cause some watery tart threw a sword at you!"
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Posted by John Skujins (Member # 1515) on October 13, 2011, 03:34 PM:
In accordance with the topic, I figure I wouldn't be out of line by posting this novelty of my own. It's a silent-sound Star Wars digest, performed by me & my brothers. A more detailed description is under the video. Enjoy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbe-RsOHwsE
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on October 14, 2011, 12:33 AM:
Here are two excellently edited digests. They make sense and cover all the major story points in under twenty minutes.
The first is a classic from 1951. "The African Queen"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUG-HDA5VBE
The other is the medical suspense film "COMA" from 1978.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atFYDg89s3Q
I really do appreciate how well these are put together. The editors did a great job. Especially those who made the MGM digests.
Posted by Marshall Crist (Member # 1312) on October 14, 2011, 03:08 AM:
I like the blanked-out name in the credits of that JAWS 2 digest. Did some actor not make the cut?
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on October 14, 2011, 04:03 AM:
The actor who didn't make the "JAWS 2" digest is Collin Wilcox. What I find interesting is Lorraine Gary gets second billing and she is nowhere to be found in this cut-down.
If you watch the beginning of "Animal House", look at the credit block with Kevin Bacon's name in it. You will see Lisa Baur has been blacked out. In fact, two very well-known actors were not in that 2x400 at all. Donald Sutherland and Karen Allen.
Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on October 14, 2011, 09:10 AM:
quote:
The first is a classic from 1951. "The African Queen"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUG-HDA5VBE
I have this digest and the edit is wonderful.
Last year someone offered me (reel 3 and 4?) of this feature which include all the river scenes. So I was thinking to splice it into my digest making this become a very long digest.
BTW, your color still looks good!
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on October 14, 2011, 11:13 AM:
Winbert, It sounds like you could have made a nice 600' "African Queen". I thought about doing the same thing. Someone on eBay was selling reels 5 and 6 but I missed it. They sold for $20. There was a complete version but it was a little out of my price range. That sold for $300. And yes, I think the color on my copy has held up quite well. It looks like the rest of my films did 20 years ago before most of them turned red.
This next film was recorded before that happened. It is another Ken Films digest of a Rodgers and Hammerstein musical. And like "The Sound of Music" cut-down, "The King & I" squeezes as many songs as it can in the time allotted. It also uses a montage of other scenes to advance the plot while these songs play over them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-zxK9xkzrY
Enjoy!
Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on October 14, 2011, 01:25 PM:
Chris,
I think reel 5 and 6 will be the last two reels of this 105 minutes film.
Correction: I bought reel 2 and 3 to cover all the river scene.
BTW, I haven't seen this feature at all. Any idea if any other scene beside the river scenes, that is interesting to be joined?
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on October 14, 2011, 07:06 PM:
Winbert, the first 20 min. of "The African Queen" takes place at the mission with Katherine Hepburn and Robert Morley. Bogart visits and leaves. Then the village is burned by the German soldiers. Bogart comes back and he and Hepburn spend the rest of the picture on the boat until it sinks in the storm. Then they are captured, there is the big explosion and then it's over. An excellent film and well worth seeing in it's entirety.
Now, for your enjoyment, I have just uploaded a new film.
With Halloween approaching, I have decided to post a horror classic. Brian De Palma's "Carrie" from 1976. As it is rated R, the link to this will only be found here. Please note: There are some graphic scenes, adult language and nudity in this film. Viewer discretion is advised.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yl7Ag8Aljc
As discussed in another thread, there are two different reels for "Carrie". In this version, Mrs. White, played by Piper Laurie, is mentioned but never seen.
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on October 15, 2011, 11:28 AM:
Again, in spirit of Halloween, here is the digest of a haunted house/possessed daddy/terrorized family pic from 1979. And no, it wasn't directed by Stanley Kubrick.
"The Amityville Horror"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MC3rZVYcArs
Nominated for an Academy Award for it's creepy score by Lalo Schifrin. This guilty pleasure was unnecessarily remade in 2005.
Enjoy!
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on October 16, 2011, 02:02 PM:
This is a new film I have already posted. I have uploaded the 400' Part 1, the 400' Part 2 and the complete chronological version of all the "Star Wars" digests to YouTube. Here is the original 200'.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9etKbtfhDM
May the Force be with you.
Posted by Marshall Crist (Member # 1312) on October 16, 2011, 02:09 PM:
Enjoyed watching that CARRIE digest--as usual, some very strange editing choices made. Fascinating stuff.
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on October 18, 2011, 03:09 PM:
Here is a short b&w silent z-grade film from 1958. "War of the Colossal Beast". The final scene does not have the color finale of the theatrical release. I have added music from several classic Sci-Fi films of the 1950's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gfKsViXKxU
Enjoy!
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on October 19, 2011, 03:53 PM:
This is a re-post of a film I put up a while back. "Logan's Run" is one of my big guilty pleasures. I just got this today. I now have four copies on super 8mm. This one is the best yet. Slightly faded but, compared to the others, it still has color. The sound is very good. There is some dirt but no lines. No splices. No VS.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsZ_hKhm--I
I am still on the search for a pristine copy. Until I find it, I will enjoy this. Or, I can also watch my VHS, my laserdisc, my DVD or my Blu Ray.
I'm also searching for a better copy of my biggest guilty pleasure of all time, "The Poseidon Adventure". I have three and they all have problems. This is the best of the lot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVm1dIrRXMM
This used library copy (my first from 25 years ago) does have a few splices and is a bit beat up but is the least faded. Best of all, no narration. The other two are narrated and are pretty faded. Oh, well. Someday.
"Be strong and you will be renewed."
Posted by Brad Kimball (Member # 5) on October 19, 2011, 04:11 PM:
I also love LR. I have the digest and a full length copy on VHS that I've worn to death. Just watched the "Carrie" digest you uploaded and I was disappointed not to see the final scene where the hand comes out of the grave. O'h well....Often is the case with digests, though. Great scenes are often discarded for time. Do you have any of the B&W U-8 digests?
Posted by Mal Brake (Member # 14) on October 19, 2011, 04:25 PM:
Brad, Derann released 'Carrie' as a 2 x 400ft version. Warners would not allow the parts to run consecutively, so careful re-editing was required to make a coherent story.
The scene you mentioned was included in the other part.
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on October 19, 2011, 04:43 PM:
Ah, yes. The other 1x400 "Carrie". It's still on my eBay saved search list. It would be great to get and edit it, in order, with mine. Anyone willing to part with it? ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Brad, always great to find out I'm not the only one who loves "Logan's Run". Most people I talk to think it is sooo cheesy. And I tell them that's WHY it's great. I couldn't get enough of it when I was young. Before I purchased my first copy, I can't tell you how many times my name appeared on the library card stuck inside the box. Unfortunately, when I finally bought it from them, the card had been destroyed. I am so happy to have found a "new" copy. My original was spliced so bad I couldn't even watch it.
As far as U8 film in B&W, the only title I have is the 1x400 of "Psycho"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7b_nd_FDWSg
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Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on October 21, 2011, 06:39 AM:
While I'm searching for the other "Carrie", here is another Brian De Palma film.
The 3x400"Dressed to Kill" from 1980.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxJ9I0oH03A
There are some people here who say that the 1x400 of this film is a poorly edited unwatchable digest. The actual film has a running time of 105 min. This 47 min. version still works story-wise. With all that's going on in this movie and the double ending, I can't imagine the 18 min. digest makes too much sense. I've never seen the 1x400. I probably never will.
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on October 23, 2011, 05:02 AM:
I have finally posted "Sweet Charity" from 1969. As I mentioned before,not the greatest U8 edit of a musical. It has one partial song, "Big Spender", and only two complete songs. After "I'm a Brass Band", there is a 4 min. dialog scene. Then "Where Am I Going?" and the finale. Leaving no room for tunes like "If They Could See Me Now" or "Rhythm of Life".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvp0BIxfoWI
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on October 25, 2011, 11:10 AM:
Here's a fun 200' b&w Disney. The Mickey Mouse Club.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uECeP6L2eQ
"Why? Because we like you!"
Posted by William Mouroukas (Member # 2764) on October 26, 2011, 06:37 AM:
Very interesting to see these. This Mickey Mouse Club reel is a gem. I've only skimmed through some of them so far but I'll be taking a closer look as time permits. Thanks for posting them.
I'm definitely looking at expanding my S8 collection again after all these decades.
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on October 27, 2011, 02:49 AM:
William, I'm so glad you like the films. There will be more to come. I hope to get a few Disney 200's up soon. I no longer own any of the animated shorts on film but I did videotape several of them 25 years ago. So, the quality may be not be wonderful but at least they'll have less flicker and won't be faded. Till then, you can check this out.
This film needed help. It was very faded. Almost totally red. I posted it on Youtube as a test. I wanted to see what would happen if I ran it through their color filter. Would it be watchable? I think it turned out pretty good. I may go back and do this with some of the other red films I posted.
Here is a somewhat color-corrected 3x400 "Mutiny on the Bounty" from 1962.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5ZeXDh_b-o
Wouldn't it be great if there was some kind of amazing chemical or solution that could fully restore faded film? Someday...
BTW, the 1x400 of this film actually has something the 3x400 does not. The 17 min. digest has scenes with and narration by Richard Haydn as William Brown not found in the long version.
Here is the 1x400.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-XUA-eCbm4
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Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on October 29, 2011, 08:03 AM:
I just got this copy of Ken Films' "The Sound of Music". It was still sealed but, unfortunately, faded. I have posted it on Youtube so it can be compared the European digest. They are not the same edit.
Here is the U.S. version.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPMmeD7h4TU
Here is the British version.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7W_W0Yq2RE&feature=related
Note the differences.
Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on October 29, 2011, 10:17 AM:
Chris,
Ken Films redid their first edit to include more songs, so there are two different versions out there.
Is there a British cutdown of The Sound of Music? Who released it?
Doug
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on October 29, 2011, 10:43 AM:
Doug, I did not mean to confuse. They are both from Ken. The only reason I guess I said British because that is where my first copy came from.
Take a look at the box on my auction.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120799889795&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT
I was just assuming that the other edit was the non-U.S. release.
So, they re-edited it for extra music? I thought the differences were in the dialog scenes.
The changes were discussed here.
http://8mmforum.film-tech.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=003917#000000
I have to agree with Carter from the other post. Why was the telegram scene with Rolf even there? I can say the version without that scene has much better song editing. You can really notice it in the "My Favorite Things"/"Do-Re-Mi" montage.
Did Ken Films re-edit and re-release other digests of R&H musicals like "Carousel" or "The King & I"?
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on October 29, 2011, 02:24 PM:
A Raquel Welch double feature! Well, sort of...
"One Million Years B.C." from 1966
http://youtu.be/qAxgx1jvE4A
"The Three Musketeers" from 1973
http://youtu.be/c1T3Hs0Wsf0
She is prominently featured in the first film but is barely seen in the other.
In fact, here are a few more blink-and-you'll-miss-them actors in the Ken digest of "Musketeers". Charlton Heston, Faye Dunaway, Christopher Lee and the always funny Roy Kinnear.
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on November 04, 2011, 02:42 AM:
Here is a digest of the classic Alfred Hitchcock film from 1959. "North by Northwest". It is another excellent example of how good the editors at MGM were. The story is well told in just 17 min.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mJRwwbfmDo
One on my favorites.
Thank you Pat!
Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on November 04, 2011, 11:11 AM:
That "Sound of Music" digest hasn't fared well, from what I understand. It's hard to find a copy that is unfaded, even for the great Meltzer, if I'm not mistaken.
... however, I hear that the DErann 2X600ft digest (or was it 3X600ft?) is supposed to be an excellent cut down of the feature.
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on November 05, 2011, 01:11 PM:
Here is a biopic from 1971. "Evel Knievel" as played by George Hamilton. It was still sealed when I got it but, like my most recent "The Sound of Music", it has some fade.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCnrasFrpfw
However, as it was never viewed before this recording, the picture quality is good. According to Wikipedia, "The most common version of the film is from a faded 16 mm print. Scratches on both the audio and video track are easily detectable." I guess that means this 15 min. digest may be the best looking version of this film out there! ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on November 06, 2011, 02:52 AM:
As I mentioned earlier, I am going to post several Disney 200's.
The original posting of "Snow White" has been replaced by a newer recording.
[ February 29, 2012, 02:14 AM: Message edited by: Chris Fries ]
Posted by Lee Mannering (Member # 728) on November 06, 2011, 03:25 AM:
Chris Loved the Evel Knievel viewing in your unique YT Cinema. Only shame was Evil did'nt ride a Vespa.
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on November 06, 2011, 08:49 AM:
Cinderella has been re-posted.
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Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on November 06, 2011, 05:06 PM:
Chris, consult Gian (a member of this forum too) for a better copy of WDHM 200' series as he has almost all now on LPP stock. No fade at all. Some of his screen shots are available in "Last Night Screening" thread.
You can ask him for the clues for print with better stock.
cheers,
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on November 06, 2011, 07:58 PM:
Thank you Winbert.
Here are two more Disney 200's. "Peter Pan" from 1953.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEya_ylrNJI
I have seen several "Peter Pan Meets Captain Hook" for sale on eBay but I never see "Prisoner of the Pirates". Was it that rare?
Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on November 07, 2011, 05:32 PM:
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I have seen several "Peter Pan Meets Captain Hook" for sale on eBay but I never see "Prisoner of the Pirates". Was it that rare?
Yes you are right Chris, some of WDHMs are rarely seen than the others, that include "Prisoner of the Pirates".
I can say that the second 200' of "Pinocchio" (Pinocchio Comes to Life) are also not too often seen on Ebay as well as the second 200' "Fox of the Hound" (Test of Courage).
If we can grade the rare category between 1-3 where 1 is the rarest, then the above two titles will be grade 3 together with:
- Beautiful Briny (Bedknobs and Broomsticks)
- Robin Hood Rescues Maid Marion (Robin Hood)
While for grade 2, two of them are:
- A most Befuddling thing (Sword of the stone)
- Prisoner of the Pirates (Peter Pan)
...this is on Ebay UK now for GBP15 (seller Paul Foster member of this forum).
Other can chime in for more titles. But for grade 1, I will say that the rarest titles are:
- Brer Rabbit’s Laughing Place (Song of the South).....I never seen one
- Robin Hood of Sherwood Forest (Robin Hood)...also I never seen one. I don't know if this is from the animation version (then rare) or the life action version. But the WDHM catalog # is 302
- Flight of the Hyperion (Island at the Top of the World)....this is the 1st 200' while the second 200' is very often seen. i.e "Escape from the Astragad".
So this is that make collecting super 8mm is more interesting, i.e how to complete your collection.
Chris....keep hunting!
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on November 09, 2011, 12:20 PM:
Thanks for the info Winbert. I have occasionally seen "Beautiful Briny" and "Robin Hood Rescues Maid Marion" on eBay. I have never seen the other reels for "Island at the Top of The World" or "Song of the South". I used to have "A Test of Courage". I will be posting it on Youtube soon along with "Best of Friends".
I tried to post "101 Dalmatians Escape" today but it was rejected by the server. I did get this up, however.
"The Aristocats Meet Scat Cat" from 1971.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SJ0Wm4dy20
Stay tuned.
I have a few more Disney 200's to put up. In addition to both "The Fox and the Hound" reels, I also have from The Rescuers "The Rescue" and a 400', "Mickey Mouse - The First 50 Years".
As long as the server is working...
Posted by Brad Kimball (Member # 5) on November 09, 2011, 04:44 PM:
Winbert... I have never seen any of those before. You are indeed very lucky to own them. I never see them on Ebay.
Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on November 09, 2011, 05:24 PM:
Brad, I don't have the Brar Rabbit & Hyperion as well. I gather that information from this forum & the other forum. I think the forum member who own the most complete list of WDHM will be Gian Luca.
Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on November 09, 2011, 10:37 PM:
Flight of the Hyperion is fun, much more enjoyable than the previous release (Escape From Astragard) from Island at the Top of the World. Plus, it still has good color!
Doug
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on November 09, 2011, 11:21 PM:
Doug, I agree. "Escape from the Astragard" is a poor representation of "Island". I'd love to see the other reel. I think Disney should have made a 400'. But, apart from "The Black Hole", did they do any other live action 400's? I know there is the "Car Chases" reel but that covers several different films.
What is the rarest Disney you own?
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Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on November 10, 2011, 06:48 AM:
As Hyperion covers the first section of "Island at the Top of the World", when it was offered which one came first? "Hyperion" or "Astragad"
Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on November 10, 2011, 09:03 AM:
Winbert,
Astragard was released first.
Chris,
Aside from the titles you mentioned, I don't know of any live action 400 footers from Disney. As for the titles that Winbert listed, I have:
Flight of the Hyperion
Prisoner of the Pirates
Test of Courage
The Beautiful Briny
Robin Hood Rescues Maid Marion
A Most Befuddling Thing
I also have the 400' French release Disney Melodies.
The rarest Disney I have may be a 50' promo that shows Mickey and friends gathering around the projector and watching clips from the latest Disney 8mm releases.
Doug
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on November 11, 2011, 11:47 AM:
Doug, what an amazing collection! I have an LP called "The Best of Disney" that has the exact same cover as your Disney Melodies. Which songs are in the film?
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Posted by Brad Kimball (Member # 5) on November 13, 2011, 12:47 AM:
Hey Chris, I just watched both uploads of "Sound Of Music" and honestly cannot tell the difference. What am I missing? They seem identical scene for scene.
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on November 13, 2011, 03:30 AM:
Brad,
Open both videos at once in two different windows. Play both at the same time and you will see they are not the same.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPMmeD7h4TU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7W_W0Yq2RE&feature=related
Differences:
Only the alternate version has the 20th Century Fox logo.
The song "The Sound of Music" does not start in the same place.
The introduction scene has several editorial changes including, in the alternate cut, Maria blowing the whistle and saying, "Excuse me, sir, I don't know your signal".
Rolf delivers a telegram only in the first cut.
The editing of the "Do-Re-Mi" sequence. Much better, I think, in the alternate version.
In the first cut, the Captain says "You've brought music into this house. I'd forgotten."
When Maria leaves, the alternate cut has a shot of the Captain and the Baroness dancing.
The dialog is different right before "Climb Every Mountain".
The song "Climb Every Mountain" continues over the wedding scene in the alternate version. In the first cut, as in the actual film, there is organ music.
The rest of the scenes for both are the same.
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on November 15, 2011, 10:47 AM:
[ December 16, 2011, 08:16 AM: Message edited by: Chris Fries ]
Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on November 18, 2011, 10:18 AM:
Chris I notice your telecine is quite whitey. Did you try to make the screening room darker so the color will come up stronger?.
Or perhaps you can also change your camera setting by disable the white balance or color temperature or shutter speed?
I guess if you can do that it will be like this:
(left picture is the original screen shot from your youtube)
Good luck!
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on November 18, 2011, 11:30 AM:
Winbert,
I transfer all my films in a dark room. As far as being washed out, the films above were transferred onto VHS 25 years ago. I suppose I could take those transfers and find a video editing program that can adjust the contrast or color. Also, how washed out some of these are may be related to the bulb wattage. Most of my new transfers were done on the Sears II. That bulb has less wattage than the one in the Chinon 6100. It may also have to do with how close the camera is to the projected image. I project on a white poster board. The throw is about four feet and the projected image is about a foot wide. My camera is on a tripod right behind the projector. Once I get my new projector, I will experiment with distance of recording and changing the white balance. I'll let you know if it works with whatever video I post next.
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on December 06, 2011, 11:43 AM:
The Muppets have a new movie out. To help celebrate, here is the 1x400 of "The Muppet Movie" from 1979.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUPhZfhaWvE
This Walton film is letter-boxed and has good color but the print is a bit soft.
Also, this is the first transfer with my new projector. I am now the proud owner of a very nice Chinon SS-1200. Guess I'll have to start looking for films in stereo now.
Enjoy!
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on December 08, 2011, 04:14 AM:
[ February 29, 2012, 02:35 AM: Message edited by: Chris Fries ]
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on December 10, 2011, 09:32 AM:
Here is the thinly disguised story of Janis Joplin. "The Rose" from 1979. Starring Bette Midler, Alan Bates and Frederic Forrest.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFZ7-1lYIoE
A decent cut-down with four full musical numbers. The color is really good on this.
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on December 10, 2011, 01:54 PM:
These films were all made by American International Pictures. Three of them are from the 1960's and star Vincent Price. Two were based on books by Edgar Allan Poe. Two were directed by Roger Corman. The other film was based on a book by Edgar Rice Burroughs and starred people I've never heard of.
Here are some fun Ken 200' versions of films that, back in the day of fewer channels, could have been seen on TV late Friday night or Saturday afternoon on one of the upper UHFs.
The Raven - 1963
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guswt-fyJJg
The Pit and the Pendulum - 1961
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3U2tJfEc5RU
Master of the World - 1961
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weBOnBkQbPQ
The Land That Time Forgot - 1975
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHGKe6I2oIs
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on December 11, 2011, 12:32 PM:
Marketing Films released several versions of the 1978 musical favorite "Grease". This is the 1x400. I once had the complete feature (a mono pan & scan print) but I had to send it back. There was very little fade but reel 4 had bad sound. Maybe I will find it again someday.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skfaxWnIVxk
I had posted this once before to show how much chatter my Chinon 6100 has. This re-post was made with my Chinon SS-1200. It has chatter too but it is much less severe. In fact, I can hardly hear it.
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on December 14, 2011, 01:41 PM:
For all you Mickey Mouse fans, this is a re-post. "Mickey Mouse the First 50 Years". I recently got a new copy of the film and ran it on the new projector. There is some fade but not too bad. Part of the sound seems to have been erased at the beginning.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Akz6AzRGl8I
I have also posted "Mickey's Memorable Moments". This is a Buck Lab print from England. It has excellent colour. Unfortunately, the sound is not excellent.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLUUtCRARoo
I am still looking for Vol. 2.
Enjoy!
Posted by Gerald Santana (Member # 2362) on December 14, 2011, 02:02 PM:
Hi Chris,
'Grease' sounds really good! I'm glad you were able to post it...
I also had Mickey's Memorable Moments but, in spanish "Momentos Memorables de Mickey" with good color.
Keep up the great work!
Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on December 14, 2011, 03:40 PM:
Hi Chris,
The color of Mickey "Memorable moments" looks good. On what stock is the film printed ?
Kodak SP or LPP?
thanks
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on December 14, 2011, 09:24 PM:
Winbert, the film stock is LPP.
Here are two films to help celebrate the season.
"A Walt Disney Christmas"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNUgZAkqMlQ
A decent print but the beginning is missing.
"The Small One" The 200 ft. 7 min. version.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l63xymHwV8A
Features some very nice Don Bluth animation. Slight fade but otherwise a nice looking print.
Happy Holidays!
Posted by Brad Kimball (Member # 5) on December 15, 2011, 10:10 PM:
I love watching these. It's a great way to pass a lunch hour. Thanks, Chris, for posting them.
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on December 16, 2011, 08:26 AM:
You're welcome, Brad.
This next video is a re-post. The original video was made with my old projector. The sound had a lot of chatter. I recorded it again with the new projector. The sound is much better.
Here is an all-star disaster extravaganza!
Also, a big guilty pleasure of mine.
Airport '77
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EslVYpsMwOs
Now I all I need is Airport '75. Yes, I know there was another "Airport" made in 1979 but even cutting that down to 16 min. would still be too long of a movie.
Posted by Bruce Wright (Member # 2793) on December 16, 2011, 02:54 PM:
Thanks Chris For the good old days -- I needed that!
Posted by Brad Kimball (Member # 5) on December 18, 2011, 12:49 AM:
I also have "Airpot '77" and I was so heart-broken that U-8 didn't utilize more of Christopher Lee's scenes. I recall being angry when I finally bought Ken's "3 Musketeers" and Lee is only in a quick pan and scan shot at the end (it's so poorly done that you can barely see him) and yet he had so many great scenes that were not chosen for the digest. O'h well, I guess that's what the DVDs are for.
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on December 22, 2011, 04:39 PM:
Brad, In addition to Lee, the "Musketeers" digest has many missing actors.
Here is the second volume of "Carrie" from 1976. This film, unlike the first volume, has Piper Laurie as Margaret White in it. In fact,except for the beginning at school and the very end, it is mostly all the scenes with her.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTRCGI0N2X8&feature=youtu.be
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on December 31, 2011, 04:40 PM:
My first film trailers on super 8!
Gone With The Wind
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTC-Tvbc59Y
Unless I find a copy of The Selznick Years documentary or win the lottery so I can buy the feature, it is the only way I can watch scenes from this classic film on a silver screen.
Happy New Year!
Posted by Gerald Santana (Member # 2362) on December 31, 2011, 06:17 PM:
Chris,
I'm willing to give up my copy of Once Upon a time in the West.
Contact me with films to trade, if you're still looking for it.
Happy New Year!
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on January 01, 2012, 01:18 PM:
Gerald,
Please check you email.
Posted by Pasquale DAlessio (Member # 2052) on January 05, 2012, 02:56 AM:
Chris
I love the u/l on youtube. Do you hve THe Exorcist?
Pat
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on January 07, 2012, 05:27 PM:
I had the "Exorcist". I hope the sound works for you, Pat.
Here is a digest of one of the funniest movies ever made.
Blazing Saddles
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPlifmKhOCg
A lot of the really fun bits are here but, unfortunately, apart from a quick shot at the end, Madeline Kahn is missing from this cut. This film could have been a good 2 reel or an even better 3 reel digest. Also, it has the annoying Columbia narrator. Why?! I would hope that anyone buying this digest would be familiar enough with the plot that narration would not be necessary.
Mongo likes candy!
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on January 08, 2012, 02:14 AM:
Here is a re-post of a fun 3x400 MGM film digest.
This 1973 film, like Michael Crichton's little dinosaur story from 1990, features an amusement park where nothing can go wrong... go wrong... go wrong...
Richard Benjamin, James Brolin and Yul Brynner star.
"WESTWORLD"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HeOrrEVcxE&feature=youtu.be
The color is much better than the copy I had before. At least on reels 1 & 2. Reel 3 does have some fade. Also, unlike my previous copy, this did not come as three separate reels in clam shell boxes. All of the reels were edited together on a modified Cecolite 1200' 16mm reel. I had to get a take up reel that could hold this much film. I found a 1600' super 8mm Tayloreel on eBay. It barely fits on my Chinon 1200 but it's great. I would love to put my 3x400 titles on their own 1200' reels. Got to save up, though. The 1600' reel was $30!
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on January 08, 2012, 11:39 AM:
Walt Disney Home Movies released very few 400' digests. Instead, they usually made two separate 200' reels for one film. This was done primarily for the animated films. Most of the live action films came out on one 200' reel. The one exception being "The Black Hole". It had both a 200' and a 400' digest. There were, however, a few live action films that had two separate 200' reels. "Bedknobs and Broomsticks" was one, although both reels focused on the part of the film that had animation. "Mary Poppins" was another. I was always hoping they would do more. "Pete's Dragon", for instance, should have had more than just one 200' digest.
In 1974, Walt Disney Pictures released "The Island at the Top of the World", based on the The Lost Ones by Ian Cameron. The film was a critical and financial failure yet, for some reason, WDHM released two 200' digests. "Escape From Astragard" and "Flight of the Hyperion". I have never seen it but Doug has said that "Flight of the Hyperion" is enjoyable. I wish the same could be said of "Escape From Astragard". This is an uneven and confusing digest. Especially if you have not seen the entire film. The ending is very unsatisfying.
Just my two cents.
You can judge for yourself. Here is "Escape From Astragard".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CT3k5txMmzk
[ January 08, 2012, 01:21 PM: Message edited by: Chris Fries ]
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on January 10, 2012, 10:14 PM:
Here are three Walt Disney Home Movies live-action film digests.
First up is a 1977 sequel to "The Love Bug".
Herbie Goes to Monte Carlo
In my opinion, not as good as "Herbie Rides Again". Dean Jones is back as Jim Douglas. Michelle Lee and Buddy Hackett did not return. Don Knots gets to be the comic sidekick here. Just as he did in many Disney films of the 1970's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhEXaCM3zlI
Next up is "Match of the Century". It is some of the funniest animation from the Disney Studios in the 1970's. This hilarious soccer match is from the film "Bedknobs and Broomsticks".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oC55kRt3SoI
And finally, the well-loved Academy Award winning classic from 1964.
Super Nanny from "Mary Poppins".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-sQcTw7xpg&feature=youtu.be
This digest features an edited version of the song A Spoonful of Sugar.
I am also eagerly awaiting the second "Mary Poppins" reel to share with all of you, "Jolly Holiday".
Enjoy and stay tuned!
I will be re-posting several animated classics soon.
Posted by Brad Kimball (Member # 5) on January 10, 2012, 11:33 PM:
Hooray!! Thanks, Chris!
Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on January 11, 2012, 01:02 PM:
Chris ...
an interesting project for you aty some point would be locating the two different versions of "The Super Nanny". There were two different cuts, one longer than the other with different footage, and one of ttwo was actually slightly letterboxed as well.
Also, another WDHM super release that is well worth making a 400ft digest of is the two excerpts from "The Fox and the Hound", which were entitled ...
The Best of Friends
Test of Courage
Both were nearly complete, with very slight editing, of two sequences, one, the whole scene when they first meet as pups, which also includes the complete song (quite lovely), "The Best of Friends". The second one is the nearly complete ending, with only the short scene when the foxes are being "smoked out of thier whole, and goes to the very end of the film, including original ending titles.
... and, I know that this digest was released on low fade stock. It might even be on LPP. I used to have this on a 400ft reel, and it was a lovely watch!
These digests you do are totally awesome!
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on January 13, 2012, 06:16 AM:
This is the last WDHM live-action digest I own.
For now.
Jolly Holiday from "Mary Poppins"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX6qhIgo9FY
I am still transferring the animated films.
I will be posting them very soon.
Enjoy!
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on January 13, 2012, 07:55 PM:
As promised, here is the first of the classic Disney animated 200' digests I recently got. If I already posted any of titles from my 25-year-old VHS, those will be removed from Youtube. As I add them, the videos may be 7 min. or 14 min., depending on if I have both reels. If I find the other reel to something I have already posted as a single, I will not go back, join them and re-post. They will be posted separately. Just like this one.
"Whistle While You Work" from the first full-length animated motion picture "Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oa4qScVqryg&feature=youtu.be
Printed in the U.K. by Buck Labs. The color is good.
I do have two copies of "The Dwarfs' Dilemma". One is silent and the other is sound but missing the first three min. I am getting one that is complete. As soon as I do, I will post it.
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on January 14, 2012, 01:03 PM:
Here is the next Disney digest. The second animated film from 1940.
Pinocchio
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iHjSkYyUt4&feature=youtu.be
There is some fade but only on the first reel.
Enjoy!
Posted by James N. Savage 3 (Member # 83) on January 14, 2012, 01:48 PM:
Chris-
Please allow me to say THANK YOU for all of your hard work and dedication in transferring and posting these great digests on You-Tube. Its been such a pleasure to be able to view the ones I've always wondered about.
Watching "Airport 77", I'm sorry I never bought that one back in the 70's. It was so cool .
Anyway, thanks again!!
James.
Posted by Herb Finn (Member # 2897) on January 14, 2012, 08:36 PM:
These are really cool!
Would love to see more Ken Film Digests of AIP/American International Pictures titles!
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on January 15, 2012, 04:43 AM:
I thank all of you for the many compliments.
James reminded me of why I continue to post these videos. I had been searching on Youtube for 8mm digests for a long time. I was hoping to find films I had never seen. There were hardly any titles, let alone those I had yet to see, and some were in a language I could not understand. So, I posted my 1x400 "Airport". Then another and another. Now there are nearly ninety films available for your viewing pleasure. Also, as Winbert pointed out, they can (with the exception of a few) be used to replace damaged soundtracks. But remember, even though I no longer own some of these digests, I do not think of the videos as replacements for the actual films. They are a representation of these films. They cannot compare to threading up a projector and watching them on a silver screen.
And now, on with the show!
Let us take a break from Disney classics for a moment.
Here is what many have called the greatest Spaghetti Western ever made.
Sergio Leone's "Once Upon a Time in the West" from 1968.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjHylNvNm8U
I don't need to say anything about the film as there is already an excellent review here.
http://8mmforum.film-tech.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=4;t=000425
This video was made possible by a generous member of this forum.
La ringrazio molto, signor Santana!
Herb, except for "The Raven", I do not have any American International films. If I get any more I promise will post them. If you have any I could borrow for posting, let me know.
In fact, if anyone here owns a film digest they would like to share on Youtube but cannot do it themselves, they can let me borrow the film and I will gladly post it.
Thank you again and stay tuned! There will be more to come.
Chris
Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on January 15, 2012, 07:22 AM:
Chris, when the 1941 arrive at yur home, please post that also with your ID so everybody can get access to it.
Posted by Pasquale DAlessio (Member # 2052) on January 15, 2012, 09:08 PM:
Chris
I found Cat ballou!
PatD
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on January 20, 2012, 03:36 PM:
Thanks Pat.
Here is the 1979 comedy spectacular from Steven Spielberg.
A 2x400 from Universal 8.
1941
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63pcBtYP3H8&feature=youtu.be
It was not as successful as "JAWS" or "Close Encounters" but did well at the box office. It has become a cult favorite over the years. It is packed with Hollywood stars and has a great John Williams score. I know a lot of people dislike this film but I think it's fun.
The full review can be found here.
http://8mmforum.film-tech.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=4;t=000298
The sound on reel 2 of this film was damaged.
This is what it sounded like before the re-record.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xE06iYFzAPM
I have to thank Winbert for recording his copy for me so I could restore the sound. This is my first re-record. You may notice a slight sync shift towards the middle of reel 2. I fixed it after a few min. but I think I will do the entire reel again. I want it to be perfect.
[ January 20, 2012, 09:41 PM: Message edited by: Chris Fries ]
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on January 22, 2012, 09:32 PM:
I am taking a break from re-recording film. I have to say, trying to get perfect sync is not easy.
Here is reel 2 of "Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs". I finally got a complete sound copy of "The Dwarfs Dilemma". There is some fade but over all it's a good print.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r01QPTbJ18M&feature=youtu.be
After I finish fixing film, I am going to create a soundtrack for a film that has none. I have a silent color copy of "Dumbo Makes the Big Top". I am in the process of editing the actual film to fit the editing of the digest. The 8mm film has no stripe but I can make a CD of the final soundtrack to play with the film. When this project is done, I will post the result on Youtube. I might even post the complete damaged "Dumbo The Flying Elephant".
Stay tuned.
[ January 22, 2012, 11:52 PM: Message edited by: Chris Fries ]
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on January 27, 2012, 05:29 AM:
Here is a classic musical gem from 1953. Marilyn Monroe and Jane Russell star in Howard Hawks' "Gentlemen Prefer Blondes".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_iXVMToPH4&feature=youtu.be
It features four musical numbers including an near complete "Diamonds Are a Girl's Best Friend".
This is the very first time this film ran through a projector. It was brand new in the box. I was worried that even though it was still sealed, there would be fade. It has happened to me before. Well, I was very happy with the condition of the film. The color is wonderful!
Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on January 27, 2012, 09:08 AM:
Chris, true it is nice color!
I knew at the end of Ken era some were printed on LPP and AGFA. I have one (yes... "The Rose" ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
). Would you mind to check the film stock for me please.
thanks
Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on January 27, 2012, 01:05 PM:
Chris ...
The "Gentleman Prefer Blondes" digest keeps on stopping at the same point with the title card, (after that nice song!), is it Utube, the computer I'm on, or a glitch in the file?
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on January 27, 2012, 02:30 PM:
Osi, I have no problem watching the video. Either keep refreshing or go back and then forward and re-open the page.
I continue now with the classic Disney animated film digests.
"Fantasia" was released in 1940. It is a stunning blend of music and animation.
Here is the most recognized segment of the film.
The Sorcerer's Apprentice
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHQ0HM3E9vE
As many of you know, my first film purchases were several discarded super 8 films from my library. On the day of the sale I remember waiting impatiently for the staff to wheel the A/V carts down to the main floor. I was thinking how great it was going to be to finally own all the films I had borrowed over the years. What I did not anticipate was the mass of people that pounced on these carts once they were brought out. I frantically grabbed for my favorites. As I was bartering with someone to swap titles so I could have both 200's of "The Fox and the Hound", I spied "The Sorcerer's Apprentice" on a cart. I finished my swap, turned to get it and it was gone. 25 years later, thanks to a seller in England, I can watch this on a silver screen again. I know it has some fade and there are a few lines but I don't care. I think it's beautiful.
[ January 28, 2012, 04:31 PM: Message edited by: Chris Fries ]
Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on January 30, 2012, 01:18 PM:
I was able to watch the whole Utube today.
There was a scope version of just the "Diamonds Are A Girl's Best Friend", but I prefer the version in the digest, as this film was not originally scope. That approximate five minute version (in scope) was taken from a documentary about Marylin, which I believe was narrarated by Rock Hudson and released after her deathy.
Since the film was originally in flat and not the scope aspect ratio, you had to (of course) cut off a good deal of the image on the top and bottom, to reformat it for scope, (something that was done with "Gone With The Wind" as well, when it was released in scope, and that film suffered for it too)
Therefore, (in my opinion) the digest version, in it's original ratio, is preferred.
I finally got to watch that little two minute add for Walt Disney Super 8! That must be quite rare and boy, would I love to find that. It's pretty cool!
Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on January 31, 2012, 03:59 PM:
Hello gentlemen,I noticed from your comments that you're not
familiar with the extracts from "Carrie"released by Derann back
in the eighties.The reason the two condensations dont follow on
is due to the fact that United Artists stipulated in the contract
that the 2x400's had to be edited to tell a story as separate reels
and not to flow consecutively,also Miss Spacek didn't want any
nude scenes of herself to be shown.This presented a problem as
the scenes containing the opening titles also contained Miss Spacek nude.Derek Simmonds over came that problem by having the entire titles redone to satisfy UA.the two 400 reels
do edit together very well and all the key scenes have been
retained which makes a very nice 800'extract.Which just goes
to show how committed Derek was to ensuring the collector got
certain releases,although I somehow think he would have taken
a very dim view of his films being put on YouTube.Please be
careful lads I refer to the threats of death both on the film boxes
and the intros to the extracts proper on 8mm digests especially
from the USA as the powers that be can be very unforgiving
Please be careful.
Hugh
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on January 31, 2012, 04:47 PM:
Hugh,
Thank you for reiterating why the Dearnn "Carrie" is edited the way it is. I did not go into details because, as I mentioned in the original posting of the first film, it had already been discussed on another thread. I think they both work as separate digests and are, indeed, very well edited. And even though "Part 1" tells more of the story and has some scares, I think the edit that features Piper Laurie is actually more intense.
Thank you also for your concern about what can and cannot be posted on Youtube. I figured if other people could upload an entire film without complaint from the studios, I could upload a digest of that film. Granted, many of my films have "Matched third party content" but that's it. No one has blocked them. If I try to post a film and it gets blocked, I just remove it. Otherwise, I will continue to post videos of 8mm digests.
So, stay tuned. There's more to come.
[ February 08, 2012, 02:26 AM: Message edited by: Chris Fries ]
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on February 08, 2012, 02:30 AM:
Here is a digest of a film I already posted. Sort of. I just got another copy of "Cat Ballou" but it is not the same film. Columbia released two versions. They both tell the same story but because of editing they are quite different.
From 1965 and starring Jane Fonda and Academy Award winner Lee Marvin, "Cat Ballou".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0pSPlDIATs&feature=youtu.be
And here is "Cat Ballou". This version is about 4 min. shorter.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIJqJoQVt1w
A big thank you goes to Anthony Buhayv for selling me this alternate version.
There will be more digests soon. I have found a temporary solution to my take-up problem with the Chinon 1200. I put my 6100 directly behind the 1200 and use it for take up and rewind.
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on February 09, 2012, 11:13 AM:
Here is a winner of three Academy Awards including Best Picture. One of the greatest films ever made.
'The Godfather" 1x400
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLbU-gYHWvk&feature=youtu.be
Marketing also released a 3x400 and the complete feature on super 8. I have yet to see either but I did enjoy the single digest.
A review can be found here.
http://8mmforum.film-tech.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=4;t=000245
The viewing of this digest is made possible by the generous lending of the film from the personal collection of Mr. Gerald Santana.
Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on February 09, 2012, 11:42 AM:
Chris ..your Godfather does look good. Still has plenty color left. I have the three parter and as many members reported here, it has gone pink.
This is from Michigan lot, isn't it? what about the other films. I found you bought like 5-6 reels.
I still haven't received my purchase because I asked my colleague in Michigan to take care of them and bring the films next week. Save postage and custom btw....
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on February 09, 2012, 01:28 PM:
Winbert,
I did not buy "Godfather" and "Godfather Part 2" for $56. If I had I would have also posted "Part 2". I borrowed "The Godfather" from Gerald Santana.
As for the color, it has been altered. The film actually has some fade but you cannot see it. I placed blue cellophane over the lens.
Now, for the films from MI, I got mine a few days after the auctions ended. They are mostly Disney 200's. I also got a 2x400 of "The Sting". I tried to post that yesterday but it got blocked worldwide. Not sure why as my 1x400 can still be viewed. It's too bad, really, because the 2x400 "The Sting" is a great digest.
I will be posting the Disney films I just got and several I already have as soon as I get them transferred to video.
Stay tuned!
Posted by James N. Savage 3 (Member # 83) on February 11, 2012, 05:56 PM:
Chris-
That digest print of "The Godfather" looks great! Its amazing that a faded print could look so good using blue cellophane. Was that the only color correction used? If so, I'm going to the grocery store to get some ASAP!!
James.
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on February 12, 2012, 05:19 PM:
James,
Winbert asked me what kind of cellophane I use and how to get it. I will let everyone know what I found in case anyone wants to reduce some fade when watching film.
The blue cellophane I use isn't exactly Cling Wrap, although that might work too. It is a little thicker than that. It is a roll of blue clear gift wrap that is sometimes used to line Easter and gift baskets. I found it at a party/novelty store. I cut off a piece and taped it over the lens. Just one layer, though. Two pieces makes the picture darker and everything looks purple. Ideally I would use a piece of blue colored gel used for theatrical lighting. I don't have any of that handy so I found something like it. I tried a crafts store but the wrap was expensive. I got a much better deal at the party store.
Posted by Pasquale DAlessio (Member # 2052) on February 12, 2012, 06:24 PM:
Chris
Well done. I have a set of those color correction filters to put over the lens. I find they work well IF you have a very bright lamp. If not, the picture dims.
Pat
Posted by Anthony Buhay (Member # 2874) on February 13, 2012, 04:05 AM:
Yay Chris! Now i can watch my cat ballou digest still online haha
here are some digest ive recorded:
Dumbo:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2kq-tJlgTM
star wars Black and White Without Sound:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GzX7vsIe5A
that same star wars black and white WITH sound that i edited together for your hearing pleasure:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQosG_wa2T8
Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on February 14, 2012, 10:34 AM:
Nice transfer of "Mickey Mouse Disco Music" super 8mm.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhhQ6QH4t2I&feature=related.
Notice how the uploader can reduce flickers perfectly. Should ask him what camera he used and the setting.
cheers,
Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on February 14, 2012, 11:06 AM:
A 24P camera will shoot at the same frame rate as the projector for the flicker, but if you watch that video there is pulsating of the shutter (brightness getting lighter and darker every second) meaning the projector isn't running at a true 24 frames per second. The camera was also set on too slow of a shutter speed setting which gives the double image you see through this, but setting it higher would have caused massive pulsating. There is a sweet spot for all of this, but it can be difficult to achieve.
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on February 16, 2012, 01:00 AM:
Great job with that sync of "Empire" Anthony! I am trying to to the same thing for my silent "Dumbo Makes the Big Top". I edited the sound of the DVD to match the digest. Problem is, as Brad pointed out, even at its lowest speed setting, my Chinon S-1200 runs faster than 24 FPS. So, I have to find a way way to make the slightly slower sound match the super 8 film. I will make it work.
Now, on to other film.
Vampire movies, TV shows and books continue to be very popular so I think now is a good time to share this digest
From 1979 here is a fun comedy called "Love at First Bite".
With George Hamilton as Dracula. Also starring Susan Saint James, Richard Benjamin and Arte Johnson.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJERotnKORA
This is a perfect example of how a blue gel placed over the lens can make a faded film look better. Without it this film is beet red. It is so faded I flipped the switch that makes the bulb brighter and used two layers of cellophane. Blue is only really noticeable during bright scenes but there are not a lot of those in this film.
[ February 16, 2012, 10:22 AM: Message edited by: Chris Fries ]
Posted by Brad Kimball (Member # 5) on February 16, 2012, 08:50 AM:
Now I remember why my wife didn't want me showing this to the kids... I forgot how many "s*!#s" there were in this digest. Thanks, Chris! Most enjoyable!
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on February 16, 2012, 11:35 AM:
Here is another re-post.
The first. The original. The best.
"Superman the Movie" from 1978.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FCqgifjC34
This new film may have a few splices but it is in great condition compared to what I used to have. It may be a bit washed out but it still has color. The one I got rid of last year was very faded and, being a former library copy, full of lines.
Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on February 16, 2012, 01:10 PM:
That "Mickey Mouse Disco" is a unique little release. While the classic toons were common on super 8, this was a complete late 70's release, with complete opening/closing titles and all. Quite curious and fun! ThanX Chris!
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on February 16, 2012, 01:56 PM:
Osi,
I don't own "Mickey Mouse Disco". I was sort of half watching the copy the Michigan sellers from eBay had but I did not buy it. The video is from Luke, a friend of mine from Youtube. His channel is mycoolhomevideos. He has also transferred and posted many S8 and some 16mm films. Most of the them Disney. There are even some films there that I have posted but he put his up in HD.
Take a look.
http://www.youtube.com/user/mycoolhomevideos?feature=watch
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on February 17, 2012, 01:50 PM:
Thought I would celebrate the upcoming Academy Awards by sharing an extended digest of the Best Picture Winner of 1959.
Here is the 3x400 of "BEN-HUR".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4L0hNzL0kY4
I think it is a great edit. This film, like some of my more recent posts, has been color corrected with blue cellophane. It is noticeably faded without it.
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on February 23, 2012, 10:28 PM:
I now continue with the animated Disney 200's.
Here from 1942 is both reels from "Bambi".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJYLTPVH6vU&feature=youtu.be
I was going to upload "Dumbo" but I am still trying to get the sync right on my silent "Dumbo Makes the Big Top." When I get it to work I will post it and the damaged "Dumbo the Flying Elephant".
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on February 24, 2012, 03:13 PM:
The next 200' from for Walt Disney is "The Three Caballeros" from 1944. A fun blend of live action and animation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-UE4_d0TP8
A great digest. This has wonderful color. Processed by Buck Labs in the U.K.
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on February 24, 2012, 09:59 PM:
More Disney films are coming soon. Stay tuned.
For now, here is a very good 2x400 from Universal 8.
"The Hindenburg" from 1975.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPtfExBJVb4
I have posted a full review in the Reviews section of the forum.
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on February 25, 2012, 08:36 AM:
Here is an excerpt from a Disney film that has a very well-know Academy Award winning song. It features a great blend of classic animation and live action. It was the inspiration for a popular theme park attraction. It has also never been released on home video in the U.S.
Just as controversial today as it was 66 years ago, here is Br'er Rabbit and the Tar Baby from "Song of the South".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OE-G56xOk3E
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on February 25, 2012, 04:41 PM:
In the 1940's during World War II, Walt Disney Animation put feature films on hold while they made propaganda shorts and films for the military. When the war was over, several package films like "Make Mine Music" and "Melody Time" were released. In 1950, Disney released its first full-length animated film in eight years. "Cinderella" was the studio's first major hit since "Snow White". If "Cinderalla" had not been successful, the studio, deep in debt, may have closed.
Here are two of my favorite Disney 200's. "Cinderella's Surprise Dress" and "Cinderella's Fairy Godmother". The one thing that does bother me about this digest is the song So This is Love has been replaced with two different songs. Cinderella and the waltz version of A Dream is a Wish Your Heart Makes. I have always wondered why WDHM did this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pxk01jy2QmQ&feature=youtu.be
I love it when two digests sync up perfectly with no break in the story. There are other Disney 200's, like "Lady and The Tramp", that match up like this.
Those will be posted soon.
Stay tuned!
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on February 26, 2012, 02:24 PM:
Ken Films released several classic Rodgers and Hammerstein musicals on super 8. "The Sound of Music", "The King & I" and this film from 1956.
"Carousel" stars Gordon MacRae as Billy Bigelow and Shirley Jones as Julie Jordan. They co-stared in R&H's "Oklahoma!" (not on super 8) the previous year.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTDx546AdLM
It features the classic songs The Carousel Waltz, If I Loved You, June Is Bustin' Out All Over, Soliloquy, A Real Nice Clambake, What's The Use Of Wond'rin and You'll Never Walk Alone. This digest, like "The King & I", does not include the end of the actual film. It stops about halfway through the story.
The color, originally by DeLuxe, has held up well on this print and the sound is standard magnetic mono. It is a good digest but could have been better if a 2x400 had been released. Unfortunately, apart from the Star Wars films and "The Towering Inferno", Ken did not make multiple reel digests.
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on February 29, 2012, 01:12 AM:
Now, back to the wonderful world of Disney.
A year after the triumph of "Cinderella", Walt Disney released "Alice in Wonderland". Disney had been trying for years to put this story on film. In fact, he had chosen it to be his first full length animated movie. Writers tried for many years to come up with a treatment that Disney liked. Even after the film was released, he was not satisfied with the end result. He thought "Alice had no heart." It did not do well when it first came out. It found a new audience in the the late 1960's, had several re-releases in the 70's and was the the first animated Disney film the be released on beta and VHS. Today, it is considered a classic.
The film has beautiful art direction by Mary Blair. It also holds the record for the most number of songs in any Disney feature.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqDMeqDrD0A&feature=youtu.be
Like the rest of the Disney animated digests, "Alice in Wonderland" has two reels.
The first digest, "Alice and the White Rabbit", has some fade but "The Mad Tea Party", processed by Buck Labs in the U.K., still has great color.
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on March 01, 2012, 03:46 AM:
Here is an excerpt from the 1953 film "Peter Pan".
Peter Pan Meets Captain Hook.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bb7qM4diPG4&feature=youtu.be
I do have another video of this film on Youtube. I did not remove that one because it includes the other Peter Pan digest, "Prisoner of the Pirates". That film is only on my VHS tape of old library films.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEya_ylrNJI&feature=related
The new film is just that. It was still sealed when I purchased it. The video attached here is the very first time the film was run through a projector. Unfortunately, sealed does not mean perfect. Printed on that Kodak stock we all know and hate, it is faded. Still, it is very clean and has great sound.
I hope to find a copy of "Prisoner of the Pirates" someday. As mentioned a few pages back, it is considered a pretty rare film. I have seen it on eBay only twice in the last six months. There was a copy from the U.K. that was around for a while as a buy-it-now. Buy the time I was able to afford it, someone else got it. The other copy was really faded and in Spanish.
If I ever do find it, I will share it here.
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on March 02, 2012, 12:31 PM:
Here are two trailers from from the 1980's.
TRON - 1982
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9NGF9YG__k&feature=youtu.be
Raiders of the Lost Ark - 1981
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqULPMjWb-0&feature=youtu.be
Many thanks to Greg Marshall for these.
As I said when I posted S8 trailers for "Gone With The Wind", this may be the only way to watch footage from certain movies on a silver screen at home. While I do have the 400' "Raiders", there are scenes in the trailer that are not in the digest. I also don't think I will ever own TRON on super 8mm. Especially an LPP print.
Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on March 02, 2012, 12:53 PM:
You are truly to be commended for putting all of these up, and you are probably the best "advertiser" for super 8 collecting to the non super 8 world!
My advice when it comes to collecting the Disney Digests in go to the UK printings of the Disney digests as, as a general rule, they used either Fuji or Agfa film stock, and while the Fuji mikght be fading (I have heard from one UK collector that his Fuji prints are starting to "purple" a little, mine are spot on), the Agfa prints are beautiful.
I bought all my 400ft Disney cartoon collection on agfa and fuji and I just gave up trying to find really good US copies of these same digests.
Happy hunting!
Posted by Michael O'Regan (Member # 938) on March 02, 2012, 01:11 PM:
I have to say, you're a brave man putting those up on You Tube, especially the Disney stuff.
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on March 02, 2012, 02:53 PM:
Michael,
I appreciate your concern but as I've said before, unless they get "Blocked Worldwide", I will continue to post videos of S8 films on Youtube.
As for Disney, I'm not too sure how much they care about or pay attention to what gets posted. Do a search on Youtube for a Disney movie. See how my people have uploaded entire films. Even the animated classics.
Some, not all, of my Disney digests have received a "Matched Third Party Content" for music use but none of them have ever been blocked worldwide. They just have ads on them. Who knows how it all works? I do know that organizations like the Music Publishing Rights Collecting Society were designed as a BS automated program designed to collect money from the ads generated by those Youtubers using music that they did not write. There are some very greedy people out there.
So, stay tuned. There will be more film from Disney.
Enjoy!
Posted by Michael O'Regan (Member # 938) on March 02, 2012, 03:07 PM:
quote:
I do know that organizations like the Music Publishing Rights Collecting Society were designed as a BS automated program designed to collect money from the ads generated by those Youtubers using music that they did not write. There are some very greedy people out there.
Perhaps I've misunderstood you, but why is it greedy for writers of that music to collect their due payments?
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on March 02, 2012, 03:23 PM:
I did not mean that at all. The greedy ones are the folk who make up a bogus company just to collect money from other companies like Sony, EMI, UNI, WMG and BMG. I fully support the fact that the original music publishers should receive revenue for music usage. I have no problem if any legitimate corporation wants to put adds on my videos.
Posted by Michael O'Regan (Member # 938) on March 02, 2012, 04:39 PM:
Ah, okay. I misunderstood your post. Sorry.
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on March 04, 2012, 01:36 PM:
No worries Michael.
In 1955, Disney released it's 15th animated film, "Lady and the Tramp". It was the first film from the studio not based on a pre-existing story since "Dumbo". Based on an idea by animator Joe Grant and fully realized after he left the studio, the film was the first animated feature to be filmed in CinemaScope. Walt loved the story but did not like the "Bella Note" sequence and thought it should be cut. Animator Frank Thomas drew the sequence on his own. When Walt saw the drawings, he decided to keep the number.
Here are the two digests "Muzzle Trouble" and "An Evening With Lady and the Tramp".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KFZnKe-cpc&feature=youtu.be
As mentioned earlier in this tread, both of these 200' films, like "Cinderella", combine very well to make one 400' film. There is no break in the story between reels.
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on March 05, 2012, 09:17 PM:
Here is a fun collection of Disney Silly Symphonies on a 400 ft. reel.
"Disney Cartoon Classics Vol. 1"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLbdnUaZ8Z0
I just got this from the U.K. and, once again, it was processed by Buck Labs. Brilliant colour!
This film has already been discussed here along with other Disney animated 400's.
http://8mmforum.film-tech.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=001990#000002
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on March 09, 2012, 09:00 AM:
I have just been forced to watch the Copyright School video on Youtube. My "Once Upon a Time in the West" digest video was flagged by Paramount. That is strike one. I do not wish a strike two or three and then my channel is gone. This means many videos are no longer available.
As to any future postings, they will be limited.
I will let everyone know if I remove more videos.
Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on March 09, 2012, 09:08 AM:
Chris your Silly Symphony looks very good. What stock it is printed on?
Posted by Pasquale DAlessio (Member # 2052) on March 09, 2012, 09:47 AM:
Sad news Chris. I enjoyed them. You would think they would go after bigger things.
Pat ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
Posted by Lee Mannering (Member # 728) on March 09, 2012, 10:17 AM:
Bit of a fave of mine Grasshopper and the Ants Chris, also to view when having a cup of tea at work.
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on March 09, 2012, 10:35 AM:
Winbert,
"Disney's Cartoon Classics Vol. 1" is printed on Agfa.
Pat,
I agree. I still don't get it. Why did Paramount remove the video now and not a month ago when it went up? Makes me worry about some of the remaining vids. As I said, may of the vids that have already "Matched Third Party Content" have been removed. Especially Paramount (Marketing) titles like "Grease". I also removed most of the 20th Century Fox stuff. They had already blocked films like ALIEN, one of the "Sound of Music" films (it could not be seen in Germany) and a video re-creation of the "Poseidon Adventure" digest. This means most of the STAR WARS films are gone. The exception is "Empire Strikes Back" parts 1 & 2. They have not been flagged. Go figure.
Lee,
Glad you like the film. I love the Silly Symphonies. I have them on the Walt Disney Treasures DVD set. I would love to find the other collection on super 8. And if I do, I may post it. As I said before, Disney has never blocked any of my videos. I have not removed any Disney videos.
Posted by Brad Kimball (Member # 5) on March 09, 2012, 11:48 AM:
What's peculiar to me is that it seems more movies seem to be uploaded in their entirety on YouTube than ever before. Why is Paramount (or any other studio) worried about a little 40-year old Super 8 digest of a classic showing up on YouTube than somebody advertising contemporary movies available full length on these tinyurl links (what is a "tinyurl", anyway?). Is there a way to upload digests for "private" viewing whether on Y/T or any place else without having to look over your shoulder for the studio "po-po" coming after you to shut you down.
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on March 09, 2012, 12:26 PM:
Brad,
I went to Youtube because that is probably the most well known video site. I know there are others. I just have to find out what they are and what their policies are. I'm sure there are sites out there that could care less about a 17 min. version of "Once Upon a Time In The West". If so, I will upload my digests there.
Anyone have any recommendations?
Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on March 09, 2012, 01:08 PM:
I finally watched that TRON trailer. Very well constructed trailer for the film and gave a decent bit of great scenes. Instead of todays trailers which seem to relish in one second shots or even less fps than that, this one took whole bits of scenes intact! Very enjoyabel.
Now I want that TRON trailer .... dangit, and just when I was thinking that I was nearing the end of my collecting! (grrr!)
Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on March 09, 2012, 02:45 PM:
I am not talking about the other full feature uploaded in youtube, but this is exactly "Onec upon a time in the west", FULL film in youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3q7EjFfluA
It is divided into 16 clips, all at around 10 minutes each.
So why Paramount worried about this digest, while we can get a FULL FEATURE of the SAME title from the SAME place??
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on March 10, 2012, 08:03 PM:
Winbert, I've said it before an I'll say it again. How Youtube works is a great mystery.
These next two digests are from the last Disney animated film to use hand-inked cels. It was in production for eight years. Chuck Jones, uncredited, worked on his film.
Originally released in Super Technirama 70 is "Sleeping Beauty" from 1959.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-sj9ua__9E
The first digest, "Once Upon a Dream" is pretty faded but reel 2, "The Prince and the Dragon", still has color. Another import processed by Buck Labs in the U.K.
Brad,
This digest was listed as a private. Still, it did not go unnoticed. It was not blocked anywhere but it, like most of the Disney films, "Matched third party content".
If anyone wants to watch the entire film, here it is in two parts. Complete with the copyright warning posted at the beginning of the VHS. The warning that states"broadcast without the consent of the... owner... carries a penalty" and can result in a fine up to "50,000 pesos".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_qf8IPTq0o&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyH9bNIuf0Y&feature=related
[ March 11, 2012, 11:23 PM: Message edited by: Chris Fries ]
Posted by Joe Taffis (Member # 4) on March 10, 2012, 10:31 PM:
Chris, don't you have anything original to post to YouTube, or did I miss it?
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on March 10, 2012, 11:30 PM:
Joe,
Primarily my channel features Super 8mm digests but there are several original videos.
I posted super 8 sound home movies I took at Cedar Point from 1984-1986 and a VHS from 1987. I posted film of my brother's high school marching band preview show from 1985 and a video of the WDW Haunted Mansion from 2000. There are other things I plan to post like a stop motion film my family made when I was young and film I took of my greatly missed Lego Walt Disney World from 1984 - 1986.
Posted by Michael O'Regan (Member # 938) on March 11, 2012, 04:34 AM:
Chris,
With respect, it's not really You Tube's fault that you ran into difficulties with Paramount, or whoever it was.
You're the one who's putting these up there.
As long as you're broadcasting these digests, you're liable to attract the attention of the studios.
The fact that someone else is getting away with posting full features is neither here nor there. They'll only get away with it until the day before they're caught.
In addition, it probably doesn't help that you've been advertising the whole thing on a public forum.
I wish you well and I have no desire to see you get into trouble, but be careful.
Posted by John Clancy (Member # 49) on March 11, 2012, 04:59 AM:
Winbert, the reason the full feature of 'Once Upon A Time In the West' hasn't been removed is simply because they haven't spotted it yet. It is possible that when the pirater is caught he will find himself in hot water and not just facing the problem of having his YouTube account removed.
The fact that Chris is only risking copying Super 8 digests is the saving grace here as the owners are not really that bothered. If however, a full feature was made available I think the full force of the law would come down.
Chris, please be very careful - posting those Disney's is a terrible risk as they take every act of piracy very seriously even if those of us in the know don't really view it as piracy. As I said long ago, it's not worth risking your house over. I recommend just showing an extract from an extract to illustrate the sort of quality available. I don't think any of the companies would get upset then and it makes the same point you are trying to make without the risks.
Posted by John Hourigan (Member # 111) on March 11, 2012, 10:10 AM:
Have to agree with Michael on this one -- copyright is something to take very seriously -- it's not something that should be viewed as "it's only a small handful of collectors so copyright doesn't matter." Not to be a wet blanket, but one's desire as a collector doesn't supercede copyright law.
Posted by Brad Kimball (Member # 5) on March 11, 2012, 08:37 PM:
What's to gain? Honestly, wouldn't it be pride smart, but dollar stupid to spend corporate funds chasing after anyone uploading digests on YouTube. How does a company justify the expenditure of $2,000+ per hour to a law firm to hunt down a clutch of film fans who want to upload their little 8mm digests (with no intention of generating any monetary profit) from 30+ years ago so their friends can enjoy a little nostalgia? Meanwhile, there are DVD's of these things circulating throughout ther web. BIG DEAL!! The movie has already been made - released - rereleased - rereleased - VHS - LaserDisc - DVD - BlueRay.... What are they so damned worked up about? They're 9-minute digests for crying out loud - Grow Up and chase something worthwhile!!! We mean nobody any harm financially or otherwise.
Posted by Michael O'Regan (Member # 938) on March 12, 2012, 03:41 AM:
I think that some people are missing the point.
The studios ARE interested in prosecuting copyright misuse, be it DVD piracy or illegal use of Super 8 film.
Whether we agree with it or see the point in their interest is neither here nor there.
Posted by John Clancy (Member # 49) on March 12, 2012, 03:52 AM:
And the culprits of the copyright infringements have to pay damages and costs so the penalty has run into hundreds of thousands in the past. There is good money in some prosecutions and rightly so.
Not that I would ever want to violate anyone's copyrighted product in the first place but I certainly wouldn't want to risk losing everything I've worked my whole life for.
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on March 13, 2012, 04:47 AM:
And so the debate rages on...
Brad,
I agree with you but John, John and Michael do have a valid point. I am posting video of films that I did not make. Each time I upload a digest, I am, as Mr. Clancy said some time ago, playing with fire.
That said, I have been doing this for about a year now. In that time, out of the many films I posted, I have have ten films that were blocked worldwide. The latest casualty is the 2x400 "JAWS". After nearly six months on Youtube I guess someone at Universal finally saw it was there and pulled it. Yet my 200' of the same film remains untouched and unnoticed. Was it just random checking that it was removed? Why did they not look at the rest of my videos? If they really cared about their films, why did Universal not remove "Jaws 2", "1941", "Airport", "Airport 77", "Earthquake", "The Hindenburg", "The Sting", "Psycho", "The Birds", "Animal House", "The Incredible Shrinking Woman" and my they-didn't-make-one-so-I-did digest of "Rollercoaster"? Most of these don't even have a "Matched Third Party Content". And for all the films that did get blocked, only one, "Once Upon A Time...", resulted in a strike.
And as for Disney, Mr. Clancy has said many times that they take pirating very seriously. If this is so, then why have none of my Disney digests ever been removed? Why can anyone go to Youtube and watch nearly every full-length animated Disney film ever made? In multiple languages? Films that have been up there for months and sometimes years?
None of it makes any sense.
So, I suppose the real question here is weather I continue to post film digests or pull them all and just use Youtube for personal videos.
As I stated before, I would like to continue posting as long as I can. I suppose if I get any more strikes, they may all go away.
What do all of you think? Would you like to see more digests? With, as suggested, the possible risk of me losing my Youtube account or worse? Or should I stop completely and never post another digest again? I will say that I have many subscribers who would be quite upset with the latter.
Here is my latest digest while you think about it.
Walt Disney's 17th animated classic from 1961, "101 Dalmatians".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jj5uKwt4Sa4
Enjoy!
Posted by Michael O'Regan (Member # 938) on March 13, 2012, 05:14 AM:
quote:
I suppose if I get any more strikes, they may all go away.
To cut straight to the point, Chris - what if you don't get any more "strikes"? What if the next thing you receive is notice of prosecution?
quote:
None of it makes any sense.
Whether or not it makes sense is not important.
The bottom line - uploading the digests is illegal. If you do it you are at risk of prosecution. End of story.
Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on March 13, 2012, 07:43 PM:
Brad,I'm afraid Michael is right.These people are not in any way,
shape or form interested in your hobby,but they are interested
in protecting what is theirs.THEFT IS THEFT and that is what they
see this as.A young man has been extradicted to the US to face
the very same charges,and his site was only a sign post to other
sites much the same as Google does,but they've pounced on this
kid to make no doubt an example.Where they get the idea that the US rule the internet beats me,but as long as the UK has
Prime Ministers that grovel to the powers that be in America
I'm afraid this state of affairs will continue.If I were you Chris
FOR CHRIST SAKE PACK IT IN!Before they come to take you to
jail,These people have the powers to confiscate, never mind blocking channels etc.You're going to get yourself in serious
trouble son and for what? IF people want to know about this hobby,then let them find out for themselves,you are not a
public service,and I don't see the point of putting yourself and
your Home in harms way,these are professionals and would take
delight in taking you apart.So please take on board what I've
said.They view these things very abstract and not always in a
clear cut straight forward, rational way you or I would.They are
lawyers,where once robbers had cudgels & knives,they have
been swopped for cell phones and desks,don't give them the
pleasure.By the way our Prime Minister is visiting the White House,how many films do you want to keep him.
Posted by Brad Kimball (Member # 5) on March 14, 2012, 12:17 AM:
Chris, I would never want to see you put yourself in harm's way. As much as I enjoy the uploads you've provided and totally disagree with the attack tactics these studios would use when we're not looking to make 10 cents from any of this - if continuing to upload digests puts you at any risk of financial liability then, by all means, remove them and save yourself from any potential aggravation. It is a shame, though. Nothing you've done thus far was done with any intent to gain monetarily, but simply acts of kindness in an effort to provide some innocent pleasure to a group of movie buffs. Just for the record though.... Who's thieving anything?! These digests that we own were legitimately paid for and the studio already got their piece of the action as it were when they sold the rights to the film vendor to duplicate and sell these digests via mail order and in retail shops worldwide. If I show these films to a group of friends at my home or at a senior citizens' center does that constitute a copyright infringement because technically it could be deemed a public exhibition? If I don't charge admission and I don't advertise it am I breaking the law, as well?
Posted by Graham Ritchie (Member # 559) on March 14, 2012, 03:33 AM:
Interesting comments, just read the back of an old MGM digest "Anchor Aweigh"
It says
This is a copyrighted motion film which may only be licensed for private, non-commercial home movie use. All other rights, privileges and licenses including, but not limited to television, theatrical and commercial rights are expressly reserved.
I am afraid that pretty much sums it up "legal wise" ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
However as far as putting on a film show thats not at home, I would still do it, providing you dont charge at the door, but if some folk just happen to donate for petrol etc, "that type of thing" then go for it .
We all break copyright laws sometime, taping from TV...CD..even of old LP records, its all by rights illegal. The problem with the "internet" is that its out there for everyone to see and that can make things it a bit tricky.
I once put on a film show for a group and let it slip, that by doing this it was probably "illegal" to a elderly lady......she looked at me and said, it might be... but we all enjoyed it.
Graham.
Posted by John Clancy (Member # 49) on March 14, 2012, 03:54 AM:
You should have taken my advice ages ago Mr. Fries and made the YouTube posts visible only to those that had the link. Then people from here could take a look and hardly anyone else - you probably would have got away with that.
I think you've got carried away with people saying how wonderful it is to see these videos. Don't be fooled by this encouragement by people who are taking no risks themselves.
This has all rather put me on edge because I don't wish to see you get in hot water. I've warned you several times and now thankfully others are offering the same advice. Please cease what you are doing and remove the illegal items there's a good chap.
Having said that, if there is a big court case over this and it makes it into the news then you could give the film collecting hobby a big advert.
Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on March 14, 2012, 04:32 AM:
I have to be the "deviils advocate",and say that if you screen
these things publically,for whatever reason,electronically or
otherwise,you are infringing their copyright.It does say that
on containers for the film and usually there is a threat or warning
on the film proper.Now you have to be potentially stupid or
extremely foolhardy to flout that warning,it wasn't put there for
laughs.That is why all airline prints were returned after use, was
either to be stored or destroyed,either way,we aren't supposed
to have them no rights have been given.The package movies
you own don't give you the right to show them where you will
it does say that on the box.In the UK showing films publically
requires you to have an exhibitors licence,or you are breaking the law.No doubt Brad, you own various music recordings,but
that doesn't give you the right to play them publically.I realise
in some respects that it is a "King Canute" law,meaning one that would be difficult to enforce,but give these people a loophole and that is all they need. To be honest I don't know
what Chris is trying to achive by putting himself on a limb as
actually he is doing the hobby a disservice by showing red
prints et al flickering images where excuses have to be made for the poor image on show,and that is not presenting the hobby at it's best and to top it off on a small computer screen.So my
advice Chris would be this, TAKE ALL THOSE FILMS OFF THE SITE NOW,NOT TOMORROW BUT NOW.The people who are probably writing out your summons now will be using all the
warnings you've been given on this forum as ammunition in
a court of law,and so removing any plea of ignorance.We don't
want to know of the next bloody digest you're going to put up
call it a day and try to keep whats yours before it becomes theirs. The simple annomaly is if you walk into a dept. store
and pick up some paltry item worth ten cents and put it in
your pocket without payment,that same store will prosicute you
even though they are a multi million $ firm,you have taken from
them and you must pay and i've got to say when it comes down
to money in America.there are people that would put Shylock
to shame,lawyers take no prisoners,i can't put it simpler than
that Chris people like John,Michael,Graham,myself and some
others are only trying to protect you.I have 17 years of experience protecting people as a Union rep so I have some idea on how these people think.Please take them off air and just
use "You Tube" for your own stuff.YOU KNOW IT MAKES SENSE.
Posted by John Clancy (Member # 49) on March 14, 2012, 03:29 PM:
I think the above post is a perfect summary. I thought of something else after my post this morning which should help bring it home:
Putting a video on YouTube is the same in law as broadcasting on television. Actually, that is exactly what you are doing so we all need to be really careful what we put up there. Just because the impression the web gives is that you are posting something for your mates does not make it so in the eyes of the law.
Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on March 14, 2012, 03:55 PM:
John,we've all tried to help Chris,but if he doesn't want it,then I'm
afraid there isn't a lot we can do.The pitfalls were pointed out by
your goodself and others including myself, it's now up to Chris.
Advice can only be of use if it's taken and the way things are starting to pick up speed,I really feel helpless, but theres nothing
we can do,it's up to him.
Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on March 15, 2012, 02:02 PM:
Chris,I came on strong and I put that down to my builders
background and it isn't my intention to hurt or offend anyone
and if I have, I apologise.Its just when you see a hazard,it's
difficult not to raise the alarm and point it out.The last thing
anyone on this forum wants to see is one of its number falling
foul of the law and into lawyers,solicitors,barristers hands call
them what you will,but they all have one thing in common, and
that is to hurt people financially or punitively and I hope that
can be avoided.We all have your best interests at heart and I
am sorry if I have caused offence.
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on March 16, 2012, 10:12 AM:
I want to thank everyone for their support and advice.
Chris
[ August 23, 2013, 01:18 PM: Message edited by: Chris Fries ]
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on August 23, 2013, 02:00 PM:
Hello everybody,
I've been away but now I'm back.
I have decided to post digests on YouTube again.
The legality of doing so has been debated to death. I'm sure the debate will continue. That's fine.
If any video gets flagged for a copyright violation (music or image) it will be removed.
As before, these videos are for educational purposes only. They are for anyone who wants to see a digest they have never seen or one they no longer have and would like to see again. Perhaps they own it but don't feel like setting up their projector. Maybe they need the soundtrack if it's damaged.
The quality is not perfect. I do not have telecine equipment. They are what they are. If you love them, great. If you hate them, great.
The first video is one my most favorite digests. The great MGM classic from 1976. Oscar-winner for best visual effects. It also features a quick nude shot of Jenny Agutter.
"Logan's Run"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vq9oGlR2xGg
There is a YouTuber called Savage Cinema. They put together a playlist called "All Killer No Filler - Super 8 Digests". This collection has a very nice transfer of "ALIEN" from TimelessMoments and many Castle Films digests from someone called 2reelers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aD7aAe9X4M&list=PLAD6AB0F033F5B17E
Enjoy!
Posted by Joe McAllister (Member # 825) on August 23, 2013, 02:32 PM:
Unlike the posting of full features uploading excerpts trailers etc is not a clear cut breech of copyright. I remember seeing a review of a DVD made up of transfers of the castle universal horror films which are apparently "public domain" in the US at least, this was when the full length originals were still being claimed as copyright. This was because the short version was classed as a seperate work. Therefore I wouldn't be surprised to discover that other 8mm digests are also non copyright as in the case of trailers. Reviewing the extract for content or quality may also bring the extract into the area of "fair use" which allows the use of extracts for criticism. As channel 4 in England did when they broadcast a programme about "Clockwork Orange" despite Kubrick claiming it would be contravening his copyright.
It also doesn't surprise me that the owners of the original versions would be upset even if they had no legal basis to complain.
Posted by Graham Ritchie (Member # 559) on August 23, 2013, 04:56 PM:
Dont forget... Farrah Fawcett
I bought "Logan's Run" when it was first released, but sold it just over 30 years ago ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
...
Apart from a bit of fade, your you-tube video of it looks pretty good. Considering they had to edit the feature down to almost 18 minutes the editor did a good job.
Watching it again certainly brought back memories
Graham.
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on August 23, 2013, 06:24 PM:
Glad you enjoyed it, Graham.
Yes, I think it's a good edit. Most of the MGM's are. One of my favorite edits is the COMA digest. I may post that soon.
'Til then....
"If you've only seen it once, you haven't seen it at all."
The Poseidon Adventure
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2YD4CqTPNQ
One of the first digests I purchased in 1985. I got it for $3. My library sold all of their 8mm films. I was the only one still borrowing them. VHS video took over the A/V dept.
Of the three copies I have, this first is the best. It's a bit beat up but it's the only one that still has good color.
Posted by James N. Savage 3 (Member # 83) on August 27, 2013, 11:46 AM:
Chris-
Thanks for the uploads. Its fun to reminisce. Some I still have and enjoy, and others I've wanted to see, but never had opportunity.
So many of these movies are on YouTube already in full length, HD. It would be amazing to see a studio feel that they are being "ripped-off" by someone putting an old weather-beaten 10 minute digest up. I don't see it. Like in anything, its always good to be careful. I probably wouldn't put Derann's full-length Star Wars in scope .
P.S.- Someone's putting "remade-digests", from digital source, on YouTube. The quality is good, but the effect just isn't the same. It somehow loses some of the nestalgia. I like the way you've been presenting them- straight from film, complete with fade & splices. Honestly, its just more fun to watch these digests like that!
James.
Posted by Brad Kimball (Member # 5) on August 27, 2013, 03:14 PM:
I love watching these. Saves on the projector bulb when I just want to pass 30 minutes or so. No assembly required, either. Chris, there are so many full length movies out there on Y/T and other similar sites in parts (part 1, part 2, etc.) that I don't know why anyone would take exception to a digest. You're not charging admission and Y/T isn't paying you so there's no finacial benefit for you in any way. I would think they're more apt to go after serious bootleggers and not someone putting several minutes of a movie on the web. Otherwise they may as well shut down YouTube and DailyMotion and all the other sites that people upload studio-made stuff on. Thanks for posting the digests. Very enjoyable.
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on August 27, 2013, 04:01 PM:
Thanks James & Brad.
[ August 29, 2013, 04:17 PM: Message edited by: Chris Fries ]
Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on August 27, 2013, 04:03 PM:
Joe has a point, but remember in the case of "A Clockwork Orange", it was the author of the piece Anthony Burgess that wielded the power,
and so it was not shown for years, also in the case of "Quatermass
2" with Nigel Kneale, the author, so be careful, it is a legal minefield.
Posted by Laksmi Breathwaite (Member # 2320) on August 27, 2013, 07:07 PM:
Do you have HERCULES digest or can you get it?
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on August 27, 2013, 07:22 PM:
Sorry, Laksmi.
I do not have a digest for the 1958 "Hercules". The only Derann film I own is the 600' "Raise the Titanic". I've not seen "Hercules" for sale online or from anyone here.
Does anyone have a copy they would like to sell or share as a video?
Posted by Laksmi Breathwaite (Member # 2320) on August 27, 2013, 08:00 PM:
Terry Lagler must have it he did a review . 1X400’ on Fuji Stock
DERANN release
Super 8 English sound
http://8mmforum.film-tech.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=4;t=000516
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on September 01, 2013, 02:21 PM:
Today's digest is "Beneath the Planet of the Apes".
It's the black & white silent version.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hG8MqKeAJSo
I picked the music from a YouTube list. I think it works well.
Enjoy!
Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on September 01, 2013, 04:22 PM:
Laksmi, I am trying for this digest for you, but when it was available, where were you?
Posted by Robert Crewdson (Member # 3790) on September 02, 2013, 09:20 AM:
Just been reading the comments about copyright. What percentage of people own the copyright to the videos they post. You can download virtually any song or piece of music you can think off. Watch Abbott & Costello in films copyrighted by Universal. I posted some footage I took of R.A.F. air displays in the 70s, and got a message from Youtube saying my clips might be copyrighted. I own the copyright. I posted a recording from an obscure British record label more than 80 years old and received a message saying the ownership of the recording may belong to some media company in New Zealand.
It's not worth the risk posting Super 8 digests on Youtube, I think the laws would be a lot harsher in the US than the UK.
Posted by Laksmi Breathwaite (Member # 2320) on September 02, 2013, 03:02 PM:
Hugh I'm right here! When was it available ? All you need to do is sent me a PM.I just want digest of HERCULES.
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on September 07, 2013, 03:57 PM:
My favorite film is "The Poseidon Adventure" but I like this one too.
"The Towering Inferno". The highest grossing film of 1974.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L40BBouXq4Y
I prefer the 3x400, which I may post, but the single 400' is a decent edit. It even includes a snip of the Academy Award-winning song "We May Never Love Like This Again" !
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on September 09, 2013, 03:32 PM:
As I said a few years ago, the editors did a great job on this digest. It's one of my favorites.
"The African Queen"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cbr7IISnxiQ
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on September 12, 2013, 11:08 AM:
Here's a fun film from 1979.
"Love at First Bite"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NtI3uY-eKA
The film is actually very red. I put two layers of blue cellophane over the lens.
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on September 28, 2013, 12:54 AM:
Halloween is right around the corner so here's a little horror flick from 1979.
THE AMITYVILLE HORROR
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8IhgyycPdg
This is the second copy I had. The first was completely faded. Sold both of them a few years ago.
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