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Osi Osgood
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From: Mountian Home, ID.
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posted October 28, 2011 12:54 PM
First ... nice to see that old machine, I remember those in my schools "hobby shop".
Now, onto the projector ...
I would suggest that you go with either a Eumig, as, whether you go higher or lower end in thier models, the Eumig's were well put together projectors that tensd to be very kind to your films.
Second choice would be to go with the ELMO's, preferrably the higher end on these, 1200 models. These do tend to go for top dollars as a general rule, but they are well worth it ansd along with the Eumig's, are the "mustangs" of the super 8 projector world.
I would suggest against going for the myriad of cheaper projectors out there, as, if you do in fact have the super 8 "bug", (which I'm happy to have and love being "contagious'!)
you will inevitably be unimpressed with cheaper brand name projectors, and will inevitably move up to a higher grade projector. Why waste the time and dollars on a cheapo.
Besides, some of the models of these Eumig and Elmo's can go for rediculously low prices.
2)What are some things I need to know before purchasing projectors and films? (I guess I just need to know basic stuff. I really don't know much at all about film projectors and film. For instance, when buying films is there any protection or cleaning actions you suggest?)
Get background info on how the well cared for the projector has been. Many seller, (on ebay for instance) get the projector from thier dead granpa and Gawd knows what kind of shape it is in. Go with, to be quite safe, with a professional projector repairman or seller, but also find out from him what process he goes through to fix the projectors.
When it comes to film, always do your best to find out what kind of film stcok the film print is on you wish to buy. This forum is a wealth of information from collectors that that pretty much pinpoint as to whether the desired print is on Agfa, LPP, Fuji, or the dreaded red/pink eastman color stock.
3)Does anyone know if I can buy actually films for a cartridge projector?
No, don't bother to, these little cartridges are hard to find and in most cases, you'll only run into educational films instead of the fun "Hollywood" films.
4)Where do you suggest I buy films from?
Ebay isn't a bad choice, as long as you do your research on the prints, and, as stated above, feel free to ask the collectors on the forum. There are professionals dealers, but always keep in mind that they have a mark-up on everything they sell, though some sellers are pretty reliable and fair. I cannot suggest Steve Osbourne of "Reel Image" too much, as he is very fair and as a new customer, will give you suprisingly good deals on films. Most of the sellers are in the UK, so remember the mark up from US dollars to pounds.
5)Am I able to buy full length features?
Most definitely and considering what title you desire, it may be costly or incredibly reasonable in price. You will amazed as to just how many super 8 features were printed! Extra plous info: Derann is almost always a surefire good buy, as they, starting in 1980 or so, usede only low fade stock. The releases before them can be on fading stock however.
6) Any other information? Some brief history lessons?
Good heavens, we'll save the history lesson for a future post!
HAHA!
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Winbert Hutahaean
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From: Nouméa, New Caledonia
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posted October 28, 2011 01:55 PM
Hi grant,
The Technicolor projector was exclusively made for technicolor cartridges as you have now.
This projector will not accept any other cartridges brand (such as Fairchild) or different film length although from the same brand.
Your Technicolor 600 (I think) only for max 200 feet film (inside the cartridge), while there was also 400 feet film marketed by Technicolor placed in bigger cartridge, you need Technicolor 1000 or 1200 projector.
Therefore this kind of projector is not convenient for anyone... well what a hack for $1 ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
To start with film collecting, my suggestion is to find cheaper and lighter projector. I believe many here will jump to say "buy Elmo, buy Sankyo, buy Fumeo (!! ![[Razz]](tongue.gif) ) ..."
But that will be more than your budget of $100.
You can still get a sound projector for around $50 to $75 if you hunt for Chinon or GAF or Minolta.
ps: a light projector does mean also cheaper in shipment.
Try Ebay and you will find abundant of cheap projectors there.
My second advise, only focus with super 8mm projector. Do not attempt to by Standard 8mm or Regular 8mm projector although they are cheap but less film available in the market for that format.
There are dual projector (can play both super 8mm and standard 8mm format) but it will go higher than $100 for a sound one.
pss: many sellers don't know about the projector they are selling and only mark them as "8mm projector". Please find an advise from this forum if they are actually super 8mm projector.
Films are abundant, you can find here or Ebay.
Many of them will just look like your screen shot above, i.e marked as full color but looks so faded (pinkish). Beside many of them also digested (edited) into only several minutes from originally 90 minutes presentation. We have to deal with that.
If you want to have films with better color and full duration, than you have to prepare more money like the one is sold here:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Jason-And-Argonauts-Ray-Harryhausen-8mm-film-Feature-length-film-/200665195268?pt=US_Film&hash=item2eb893e304
good luck,
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Winbert Hutahaean
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posted October 28, 2011 02:23 PM
1) What are Agfa, LPP, Fuji?
This is type of film stock that are used after 1980s. Because they are more recent (and new technology) color film printed on this stock will still have good color even after 20 years. Look at the above link on Ebay.
Before 1980, most film were printed on Eastman (Kodak) or Kodak SP or 3M etc which have faded to pink by now.
However, because 1980 was the time when 8mm films were going down, therefore less films were found in the market now, hence the price is rather high. You will find mostly those 1970s film on Ebay.
2)What is Derenn and how do I find their films?
Derann is the name of company releasing film from 1970 until recently closed down in 2011. Most of Derann releases before 1980 will be faded as other films. But after 1980, Derann uses better stock (AGFA, LPP) so they still have good color until now,
3) Do I need to get larger reels?
Depend on what film you have. If you start with collecting digest, then you won't need that because many digests are spooled in 400 feet reel (7 inch diameter) or even 200 feet (5 inch diameter). While most of cheaper projectors can take until 600 feet reel (8 inch diameter).
4) How should I store my film to keep it in its best shape and I have seen there are cleaning suplies for film, should I get something like this?
Place your film in vertical position in plastic can or in their original box (cardboard).
When you are going to more serious business than you will need that. For beginner, just deal with what you have now and do not need to care so much. Even I have been collecting for 20 years, I don't have ones ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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Winbert
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Winbert Hutahaean
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From: Nouméa, New Caledonia
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posted October 28, 2011 05:18 PM
Grant,
If you start with super 8mm, you will start from the basic of collecting, i.e know how to keep the film, what is scratch, what is VS, splicing film, etc, etc.
Through 8mm, you will find cheaper price for a title because you can buy digest (edited) version of a full length which can cost $$.
A digest of well known movies such as Close Encounter, Alien, Dirty Dozen, for example, can be bought for $5-15 (depend on the condition).
On 16mm, we can also find digest but very very rare (only few I can say) and mostly not for the well known movies like I mentioned above. You need to buy a full feature and it will cost $100+ for such title.
Full length feature is also available on super 8mm, but as Mike say above, 16mm has more titles. However, for recent titles such as Spiderman, Die Hard, Speed, Master of Commander, Fugitive, Toy Story, Bugs Live, Ice Age, etc, etc....., it is easier to get on super 8mm as long as you have money in your wallet...
Now you can see where you need to start for a film collecting hobby
Good luck!
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Winbert
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Osi Osgood
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Posts: 10204
From: Mountian Home, ID.
Registered: Jul 2005
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posted October 31, 2011 02:34 PM
Just a little more to add ...
Agfa and Fuji existed before the 1980's. Some Fuji stock from before the 1980's will have went purplish. However, in general, it does hold up well and much better than other stocks from the 1970's. Agfa has existed for the longest time and I have some agfa prints (on standard 8mm) from the 1950's and it still holds it color.
... even some Eastman stock holds the color well, (before the 1980's) however, in the case of Eastman, THAT is the exception.
If you do run into a non low fade color print from before the 1980's, and you want to keep the (hopefully) good color intact, I would suggest you take that feature print, place it in a freezer bag with at least two "selica gel" packets (this keeps the moisture away from the print) and store it in your fridge. This will not stop any fade, but it will bring it to a stand-still. I have been back into collecting since about 2003, and th3e first print I bought when I got back into this was an eastman print, with a slight fade, and to this day, it hasn't changed a bit. I have, however, another eastman print I bought at the same time (that didn't mean as much to me), that had the same aslight level of fade. Left at regular room temperature of 70 or degrees on a shelf, (not in any excessive heat) and that print is now beet red.
... so, refrigeration does make a difference. It is no coincidence that many a photography shop, which provides undeveloped color film, will keep the film in a refridgeration unit.
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