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Topic: Upgrading projector - Advice
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Phil Murat
Jedi Master Film Handler
Posts: 671
From: Villeneuve St Georges, France
Registered: Dec 2015
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posted April 09, 2016 04:48 AM
Hi Miguel , Andrew,
What I can see through the picture is a Twin Teeth claw, more probably former generation (Black Appearance) because the last one made by Beaulieu has a different treatment with yellow or gold apperance.
Miguel, if you bought a Beaulieu 708 EL Stereo with unknown background, I suggest you to replace as preventive action, both Main Capacitors (4700µf / 63V , 2200µf / 63 V, very common, easy to find).
As a 2nd Preventive Action, renew Thermal Compound for the 3 Power Transistors and STK Power Amplifier.
Anyway, a Beaulieu 708 properly maintained is like a Truck considering the mechanical systems......
Check the Rear Hub Torque : has to be trimmed to 600gr/cm to avoid future extra wears of gears which are plastic made material (unfortunately......).
Avoid rewinding your movies using the front carrier (for same reasons).
Beaulieu 708 is "Film Safe" :
- 3 machines tested (Old & New genaration), NO SCRATCH REPORTED EVEN ON THE EDGES !!! (Rollers modified or not as well)
- If the Motors Drive Regulation operates normally, NO BROKEN AND/OR FILM JAM EVENTS TO REPORT (Otherwise, if Regulation is faulty ====> Film jams immédiatly , and damages appears!!!).
Each Time you Power Up the machine, insure the régulation works like this (No Film loaded) :
1)Once, set the Main Knob on "Sound" and Push backward the "Loop Sensor" ===>;
-Speed decrease Up to 21 Fps approx
- Full Speed is something like 27 fps
- Medium position is 24 fps.......approx
2)Sometimes, watch "Loop Sensor" during Machine opération (and pay attention to Motors Sound) ===> Loop Sensor has to be steady. If not, there is something wrong (Film or Machine.....)
Phil
[ April 09, 2016, 09:19 AM: Message edited by: Phil Murat ]
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Phil Murat
Jedi Master Film Handler
Posts: 671
From: Villeneuve St Georges, France
Registered: Dec 2015
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posted April 10, 2016 04:39 AM
Hi Miguel,
Checking Sereo Models, there is no screw in this area, and no hole too.
Backside is the Main Motor Cradle.
Try to get anymore Pictures.
An other point to check is the 4 Nylon "Heads Press Skates" (Reading & Monitoring Heads) :
- Set Main Knob in "Sound" Position (Film loaded) and check clearance between retainer rings and holder. low is the clearance and worner is the skate........
It could be interesting you get a close picture of this condition.
Let me know.
Phil
Is it the "Beaulieu 708 EL STEREO" I have seen on "Le Bon Coin" for 1000 Eur with external High Power Lamp Bus Box?
It was a projector modified by a compagny specialised in Beaulieu Customisation (High Power Lamp, HTI, etc......)
If you want a HTI Power lamp , you can Get modification using a Former "Light Box" (Used for Borescope industry or Medecine).
Now , you can find on "Le Bon coin" (Professionnal page).
However there is NO U/V FILTER in these boxes, so you ll have to find it in an other way.
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Miguel Gimenez
Film Handler
Posts: 52
From: Grenoble, France
Registered: Feb 2010
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posted April 10, 2016 06:22 AM
Well, this is not my Beaulieu (in case there is a misunderstanding), is the one in sale in eBay posted by Alan. The seller has published in eBay also an image of the other side (without the cover).
By the way, after the first contacts with the seller, in my opinion it is not worth to deal with him:
The announce is mainly attractive because of price and the photos which are taken with studio-standard light, but the description, if you read carefully, says almost nothing of importance, and it sounds to me as the typical chatter of a "used-car seller". I can't believe he is an enthusiast of Super 8 seeing the description that he does.
Additionnaly I strongly doubt he says the truth about the origin of the PJ or the reasons for sale: only looking to the amount of items he is selling normally...
Moreover, judging by his replies, I'd say he is a very good candidate for the most ill-bred and pathetic german seller I have ever dealed with (and I have dealed with a LOT of german sellers in eBay and outside, for more than 15 years).
Add to it, that he does not accept PayPal, and we have the typical "eBay bully" profile. BTW, personally I learnt not to consider eBay votes as a guide, never.
Frankly, I can't have confidence on this seller neither the condition of this projector. My feeling is that he tries to sell off a projector that has arrived to his hands, God knows how, not telling all the truth and using a starting lower price as carrot.
Maybe someone can have a different interpretation, though.
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On other side, thank you Phil for the checking advice. I'll take it into account.
About Le Bon Coin, I have been searching there without success for more than a week. Have you found one there ? What do you mean by 'professional page'? Is a part of the site different from the normal one?
I am not too interested in HTI, mainly because the lamp color temperature (color tone), but why not, if it is posible to put a standard halogen lamp, and I have the luck to find it for a non-HTI price, then I could consider it.
[ April 10, 2016, 03:57 PM: Message edited by: Miguel Gimenez ]
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Phil Murat
Jedi Master Film Handler
Posts: 671
From: Villeneuve St Georges, France
Registered: Dec 2015
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posted April 10, 2016 08:32 AM
Hi Miguel,
Considering "Le Bon Coin" , I found recently "exactly" what I was looking for, I mean a 708 EL Mono in "médium condition" but working pretty well for 80 Euros........
Do not choose a HTI Model as you'll be charge a lot for a low improvment (Exept for Lamp life , 3000Hrs Approx, This is my own opinion).
1000 Eur (Any 708 Stereo version) is a correct price for a machine showing a pretty good condition.
Moreover ask the seller to send you any pictures ("Sharp" pictures) you like concerning specifics points as you can imagine.
At the end , call him at phone, and how the conversation sounds, as 1000 Eur is "Money", trust in your own feeling (this is a psychological game)
Be Patient.......
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Luis Caramelo
Master Film Handler
Posts: 494
From: Funchal
Registered: Feb 2011
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posted April 10, 2016 09:33 AM
Andrew is right,it,s a nice model the chinon st-1200,i got mine over several years.still o,k.i the easy clean of the sound head,the image stands like a rock,i got na external amplifer,witch gives a good stereo,the only but i found it,s not easy to fixed a scope lenses.
luis caramelo
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Miguel Gimenez
Film Handler
Posts: 52
From: Grenoble, France
Registered: Feb 2010
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posted April 12, 2016 01:05 PM
I think it is a good advice. As Paul says is a Pandora's box. Maybe I fix some parts only to find a year or some months later that other part is also not working as it should (or even the paintwork), or even worse, to have some part not working correctly and not being aware due to my lack of/limited experience. Just thinking out loud. I'll see.
I have also another chance with another, but it is a modified one, so you can use 150W or 250W (non-HTI). Would you buy a modified one?
Personally, after receiving first information of it I was thinking that I don't need this extra light (maybe some day I'll regret this, but who knows), and, specially as I am not familiarized with them yet, and this would be my first Beaulieu, I feel I'd need a 'standard' one in order to learn/know by myself what these projectors do and don't, etc.
If I start with a modified one I always wondered if this or that behaviour or feature is normal or not, and the support and advice will become more difficult as it is a 'unique' projector.
So I'd still prefer a normal Stereo unit, in good shape, if I could find one.
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