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Zechariah Sporre
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posted November 14, 2016 01:53 PM

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My fan motor was squeaking so I pulled it out to oil it. Unfortunately in the process I managed to break the red power wire at the rear. Mounted on the back the wire goes into a small green cylinder type thing. I was wondering what this is for and if it is difficult to come up with a replacement? As you can see it broke off about flush so resplicing or soldering would be pretty tough.

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Steve Klare
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posted November 14, 2016 02:37 PM

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Greetings, Zech!

It looks kind of like an inline fuse. (-or maybe an inductor?)

Are there any markings on it?

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Steve Klare
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posted November 15, 2016 08:18 AM

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I'm thinking maybe not a fuse.

Since there is one on each line they are in series. You don't combine multiple fuses in series or parrellel: one at time is the rule!

Were those lugs on the devices ever screwed down to anything?

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Zechariah Sporre
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posted November 15, 2016 08:22 AM

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I wondered if it was a fuse. Unfortunately no markings. They have the whole thing and part of the bracket covered in paint.
It was screwed onto the back of the motor. Just like the other white wire you can see in the one photo.

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Steve Klare
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posted November 15, 2016 08:51 AM

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It may be something as innocent as a means of splicing the wires together. It may be something like a feed through capacitor or an inductor to keep motor noise out of the sound track.

Wish we could see a schematic!

That's what often trips me up with these. If I have something wrong with circuits at my job, the first thing I do is fold out a schematic and imagine what the problem might be.

-no schematic?

-not a clue!

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David Fouracre
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posted November 15, 2016 09:38 AM

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I am pretty sure that this IS a form of filter to reduce motor brush noise. You should be able to bypass this item to evaluate the need to retain a filter.
According to the service manual, your motor squeek may be derived from either a lack of bearing lubrication OR oil residue on the motor brushes!
The by-pass of the filter would effect little on the fan speed.
Should you need to actually replace the filter, try winding about 50 turns of 36g enamelled wire wound on a 4.7ohm 1/2W carbon resistor.
I have had some success with the above.

Hope this helps

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Zechariah Sporre
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posted November 15, 2016 12:54 PM

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Thanks Steve for the input. Sounds like you were on the right track.
Thank you David for the information. This is quite helpful. I will eliminate it and see if I notice a difference in sound quality.
I got the bushings oiled now so hopefully the squeak is gone.

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Kevin Clark
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posted November 15, 2016 04:55 PM

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Hello Zech

I had a similar problem with my halogen GS1200 and I removed the 'little green bits' to see if the fan still worked.

Well yes it did and the projector ran OK mechanically HOWEVER...... the electrical noise generated in the fan circuit caused massive interference noises in the amp circuit.

The reason is the green bits are in fact capacitors used to smooth out electrical interference (EMI) these are available to buy and fit yourself so if you can't bare the original connector back enough to solder the wire on let me know and I will sort out the RS part numbers for you.

Please note I only learned this info from our great cine friend Bill Parsons and wish to thank him publicly here for all the help he has given and continues to give us with our equipment.

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Andrew Woodcock
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posted November 15, 2016 05:04 PM

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Well done there Kevin.

We all at times here, share much of Bill's vast amount of knowledge here to the benefit of both ourselves and many others here.
Id expect more and more of this kind of thing here and on the other forums in the years that lie ahead.

At times it will become very very necessary to pool all the information we have luckily acquired from people like Bill from over the years.

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Paul Browning
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posted November 15, 2016 05:06 PM

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Looks like a smaller version of that fitted to the alternator on cars to stop interference on your car radio, a suppressor to us oldies.

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Kevin Clark
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posted November 15, 2016 05:16 PM

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You are right Andrew, I would take a guess that most of us on here at some time have benefited from Bill's knowledge either directly or indirectly, and sometimes we pass it on without crediting him as the originator of 'the 'fix' in the first place.

The part is available from RS see URL below - don't worry it may look different to the originals but these are the ones I used from Bill's recommendation and they work better than the Elmo originals:

http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/signal-filters/0209027/?searchTerm=209-027&relevancy-data=636F3D3126696E3D4931384E525353746F636B4E756D6265724D504E266C753D656E266D6D3D6D61746368616C6C

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David Fouracre
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posted November 17, 2016 11:36 AM

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Hi there,
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Zechariah Sporre
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posted November 17, 2016 07:16 PM

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Thanks Kevin for the great information. I got a few of those capacitors ordered up. So do you hook up the 3rd ground line to something or just leave that one alone?

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Steve Klare
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posted November 17, 2016 09:51 PM

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In order for it to be effective the third leg needs to be connected to the motor case. That's why I was curious about the lug on the original part.

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Bill Parsons
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posted November 18, 2016 02:27 AM

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Steve is correct, the centre lead can be attached to the motor body (earth) using the same screw that held the original filter, it is a lead through device so one of the other leads to the motor, the other to the feed, also may I suggest you do not use really thick cable for the feed connections this can put a strain on the filter, like the original they need to be treated with respect.
I have fitted hundreds of these over the years, as Kevin said they work better than the original type.

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Andrew Woodcock
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posted November 18, 2016 05:18 AM

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Maybe a three way insulating terminal block, bolted onto the cowl etc, maybe the way forward so that strain CAN NEVER be placed on the component tails from the heavier trailing fly leads.

I used this method to great effect on one of my machines so a tacho gen coil was not permanently connected to its trailing leads for when there was need to remove the main motor to annually service the machine.

[ November 18, 2016, 08:19 AM: Message edited by: Andrew Woodcock ]

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