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Topic: Do you purchase more than one copy of a title and why?
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Winbert Hutahaean
Film God
Posts: 5468
From: Nouméa, New Caledonia
Registered: Jun 2003
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posted March 14, 2017 01:39 AM
Me, never.
I don't even buy the same title in order to replace it with a better quality (which some people do, and that does absolutely make sense).
My upgrade only happen if it is silent to sound or b/w to color print of the same title.
If I bought one lot sale which contains some films that already in my collection, I will straight away selling one with lesser quality.
If I can sell it more than what I paid for the later print, I will be really happy... and that is hobby supposed to do with our lives.
I do some investment but more onto something reliable such as paper stocks, properties, insurance policies, .....and vinyls (LPs).
Yes vinyls really multiple your money if you know what you are collecting ...but that if you did buy 20 years ago and selling it now. ![[Wink]](wink.gif) ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
ps: in my home country, depositing money into bank has alreay created 9%/annum interest as long as it is done in local currency. If it is done in US$ the interest will be around 2%. So if we don't know where to invest our money, just deposit it to the Bank and the investment risk will be borne by Banks.
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Winbert
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Tom Photiou
Film God
Posts: 4837
From: Plymouth U.K
Registered: Dec 2003
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posted March 14, 2017 01:55 AM
I'd be very surprised if anyone buys a second or third copy as an investment, at some point,(and this is only what i think, simply an opinion), film prices could all fall or at least return to normality as more and more people leave the hobby for one reason or another.
another collector made a good point to me, as time goes on ,(and i am sure we are a few years away yet)decent projectors will also decline as our repair specialists retire and good projectors become as rare as top titles. some collectors can maintain there own but very few can do more than the basics, out of over 400 titles we have now all but a very few of our duplicates are gone, they were only ever bought as improvements on our existing copy and only one was a feature. I think the only way it could ever have been an investment is if you bought ten of every 80s title from second hand lists many years ago, i dont think anyone ever did that. did they? i have noticed a couple of long term collectors selling off some very deferrable titles, are they the sensible ones? At the end of the day film collecting is only a hobby, it has always been a very expensive hobby but for 40 years in my household it has been very enjoyable and if i never add another title it will continue to be so, unfortunately i believe,(except for those where money in of no concern), it will put people off the hobby, and will almost cut off the idea of new people joining.
Some members on here may have noticed the other day a copy of speed went for over a thousand, while this is a good entertaining film full of action this is one title that does not warrant that kind of tag, (in my opinion no film does)) i would imagine that the new owner surely didn't buy this one a spare copy or an investment. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
One thing i cant bring myself to do is spend ridiculous sums, yes i have paid a few quid more than i normally would for something i really wanted but never as an investment and never the sake of having it again.
At the end of the day cine is unique but its not the only way to see a movie, if it was i could understand both the prices being fetched and having a back up copy, unless your showing your films on heaps of junk or you never have your machine serviced or even do the regular cleaning you shouldn't need more than one copy, some of our films are 40 years old and are no worse than when we bought them. if i had a money to buy lots of good titles right now i would rather add different titles to my collection rather than duplicates. I may well be wrong and perhaps they are like property and will keep going up in value, i just cant see it myself. its a movie! i joined the hobby for my love of showing movies and having my own little set up, i would love lots more and like every collector wish i hadn't sold some titles and very much regret not buying others when i had th chance but have never had an urge to buy second or third copies, it seems pointless, had i have done so i would have wasted an awful lot of cash
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Andrew Woodcock
Film God
Posts: 7477
From: Manchester Uk
Registered: Aug 2012
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posted March 14, 2017 07:06 AM
I also have some multiple titles, especially for the Disney features and 600 footers I collect.
When I first started collecting again I was cautious of ever paying a great deal for any one print as I was occasionally scratching the odd one or two due to the projectors I was using some of the time and at that time.
I was also a family man and a fairly heavy smoker to boot.
All in all I had neither the resources or inclination to spend big on the hobby despite my life long adoration for quality Super 8mm films.
Once I developed more and more knowledge and confidence in my equipment, I began purchasing slightly more expensive prints and also stopped smoking at a time my family had all reached adulthood.
What this meant for me at this time, is the prints I initially purchased, often with more than one or two flaws to begin with ,could gradually be updated with more expensive, but also top notch quality prints often with hardly a mark on them and in some cases, like absolute brand spanking new ones.
These are now only the type I'm typically interested in collecting and as such, I often look to improve the quality of the collection by superseding any that were purchased during these infant steps back in the hobby.
I now have at least seven feature films where I find myself having duplicate prints and one or two I've even had 3 or 4 copies of just to finally obtain that one decent "as new" print, now I'm finally at peace in this world so far as my projectors are concerned.
It has been a long and often frustrating journey at times collecting film for me, but it's only nowadays I feel I'm finally gaining the full rewards for the time and efforts, not to mention the significant investment I've made pursuing a hobby I've always simply adored since early childhood.
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Tom Spielman
Master Film Handler
Posts: 339
From: Minneapolis, MN, USA
Registered: Apr 2016
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posted March 14, 2017 08:27 AM
Yes Winbert, that was something I was going to mention. I don't think Super 8 makes sense as long term investment strategy so there must be some other reason why people will buy multiple copies of a given film or spend large sums of money for a particular title.
If not for investment reasons, one has to assume that people are getting some enjoyment from these purchases. So, where does the pleasure come from? Does it come from watching the movie? Perhaps that's part of it, but you don't need multiple copies and there are much less expensive ways to view a movie.
Does it come from owning the copy? Maybe you're a collector and you've been wanting a particular film for a long time. You've got ample money so that's not a problem. But that doesn't really explain why one would get multiple copies.
Does it come from the act of searching for and actually buying the film? This would explain it. Some people get pleasure out of "the hunt" or the purchase itself. Maybe through winning an auction or feeling that they've gotten a great deal and can resell it later at a profit. Though the reselling part may take a long time and isn't nearly as fun.
I've been sometimes guilty of the later. Not with film but other things. During the holidays I purchased 3 lenses for $20. The best one had a stuck aperture. I had no real need for any of them and in fact 2 of them I already owned. I sold one right away for $40. The one with the stuck aperture I finally got around to fixing last week. It took awhile and I had to buy a lens spanner and some other things, but I was quite pleased with myself. It's listed in eBay now, but I've noticed that the "going rate" was not what it was a few months ago. ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
I may be able to get $80 or so for it which sounds great but after buying the tools, etc, I won't net that much. Yet I found myself searching craigslist and other sources for broken lenses that I could repair and sell. In truth, I earn a lot more per hour at my real job and I'd get sick of fixing lenses pretty fast, but I enjoyed looking. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
So If I were to be completely honest when it comes to my hobbies, I sometimes buy things for no other reason other than I think they're worth far more than I'm paying, - especially if they need some fixing. I like to tinker so there's some fun for me in that.
As long as you're enjoying yourself and it's not having a negative impact on other important aspects of your life, there's nothing wrong with it. But like anything else, it can be taken too far. I only spend "mad money" on my hobbies so that's not a problem for me, but if I'm not careful I can end up with stuff that serves no purpose, since I find buying much more fun than selling.
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Rob Young.
Phenomenal Film Handler
Posts: 1633
From: Cheshire, U.K.
Registered: Dec 2003
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posted March 14, 2017 10:46 AM
I have two copies of the 400ft Marketing release of "Raiders of the Lost Ark" because this is my favourite movie and one box has the German title as opposed to the English...silly really I know, but kind of a collector thing I suppose?
Also, two copies of "The Empire Strikes Back" Ken Part 1; one is the original I was given by my parents on my 10th birthday, the other is a copy I bought at a film fair once and has now several signatures the back cover form various actors in the film...again, a collector thing really.
Or is that hoarder???
Lol!
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In terms of investment, I used to own a brand new print of "Speed" which I later sold on. Noting that it just went on eBay for over £1000.00, do I regret it? Not likely...funnily enough I recently bought the Blu ray for £7.00 and given the quality on my L-COS projector with digital surround I wouldn't even consider going back to the 8mm version...I enjoyed it back in the day I don't criticise anyone for wanting one, but for me, no, I wouldn't go back...
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Joe Caruso
Film God
Posts: 4105
From: USA
Registered: Jun 2003
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posted March 15, 2017 12:37 PM
Many collectors do buy multiple prints for back-up and/or re-sale - In my case, it's almost always the box - Even if I have a film with sharp box, I'll try for another if it meets my standard, either on-line or at a "live" show - For me, it's 2 collectibles in one, both carton and subject matter - As of late, I'm waning down to a select few short subjects I need (even one copy will do) - Costly at times, but if one plays the search with a level head, the pleasure would be worth the chse, so to speak - There is always a plethora of Blackhawk prints around, so I'd grab what you can now before the rarer titles indeed are seldom offered, whether 16 or 8mm, scored or silent - Same with projector accessories, lamps, reels, cans, tubes and amps - Have a well-stocked supply beforehand - Like fine wine, good poetry, music, toys and grand art, let's cherish what we can for the generation - Shorty
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they might be double ups but are well worth getting 
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Films like "Airplane" were on Elmo reels and those reels were worth more than the film itself, however its a mint print and one of my favourite Marketing releases so for $50 dollars that's pretty good 
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