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Simon McConway
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posted September 25, 2018 07:16 AM

https://www.kodak.com/GB/en//motion/products/production/ektachrome/default.htm

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Dominique De Bast
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posted September 25, 2018 08:21 AM

What a great new ! Kodak promised it for the Autumn, well they kept their word.

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Steve Klare
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posted September 25, 2018 08:46 AM

What's funny is I have about 5 rolls of 100D in my fridge which I could have made a lot of money selling because there is no new color reversal available.

-I'm happier it's turned out this way: I'd really rather just shoot some movies!

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Paul Adsett
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posted September 25, 2018 09:09 AM

Wonderful news, I can't wait to get my first roll and try it out in my Chinon S8 camera. Kodak sure kicked Ferrania's butt on this one!

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Osi Osgood
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posted September 25, 2018 10:54 AM

Well, if the Ektachrome is very "fine grain" (as the website states), then I might just jump aboard, but I shot with the original Ektachrome many years back and founf it to be fairly grainy, especially in comparison to kodachrome.

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Steve Klare
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posted September 25, 2018 11:15 AM

The 100D I have is very fine grain. I project it about 50x70" and it looks really nice. Maybe it's not Kodachrome fine grain, but it's pretty close.

I have one film I shot with 64T about 10 years ago and while the colors are nice, the graininess interferes with the sharpness: faces don't have to be too small in frame before their features lose distinctiveness, when they get closer they look much better.

As much as I enjoy black and white, it will be nice to get back to color again!

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Rob Young.
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posted September 25, 2018 12:58 PM

Nothing beats Kodachrome; technically it can't.

64T was awful.

In fact, most older Ektachrome super 8 wasn't great.

That said, Kodak's last 100D Ektachrome was very nice indeed.

Colours were artificial, but in a pleasing way, and grain was minimum.

I was just getting to grips with this stock when they pulled the plug...

This is all great news and I really hope it is reality.

However, cost is an issue, and lab development is not what it used to be...running it through a camera is one thing...getting it developed is now, sadly, a challenge.

Perhaps Kodak may wish to address this issue here in the UK and Europe as part of the new launch?

If there are any companies in the UK willing to provide Kodak's new stock with processing, and a price, now is the time...

I will buy into this, but Kodak needs to be very clear on it's global marketing and customer support strategy...

Kodak, are you listening? Give us clear information. You have potential customers.

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Graham Ritchie
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posted September 25, 2018 01:22 PM

Great news and what I have read elsewhere the film quality is really good. Will order some slide film as soon as its available as I am looking forward to using my old Canon FTB [Cool]

However I will certainly look into taking some Super 8 film, just a couple of rolls to start with and see how it works out. I would like to try it out, on a still going Canon 1014 that I picked up a few years back [Cool]

PS I agree with you Rob regarding 64T, last week I gave 200ft of developed 64T for a transfer to DVD so it will be interesting to see how that comes out and will post those results soon, but this new film should be a huge improvement.

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Rob Young.
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posted September 25, 2018 01:33 PM

I agree, Graham, that this is great news, but once it has run through the camera, what then?

Things aren't wot they used to be! [Confused]

Who will process this in the UK?

And at what cost?

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Graham Ritchie
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posted September 25, 2018 01:43 PM

I think the Super8 film will be getting developed at a new lab in New York, plus we have Nano Lab in Australia that still do Super 8 film. I had some 64T developed at Nano a year or so ago.

I will be keeping eye on a chap in Spain on Facebook who was testing it for Kodak and is a real enthusiast in all things Super 8 including projecting.

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Maurice Leakey
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posted September 25, 2018 01:50 PM

It says 100D. Is this just for daylight use?

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Rob Young.
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posted September 25, 2018 01:50 PM

Thanks Graham, as you know, Ektachrome development was a fairly standard lab process a few years back, unlike Kodachrome.

But now we struggle to find any kind of photo-chemical lab in the UK.

I'd really like to shoot with the new 100D...

EDIT: Maurice, no, it is 100 ASA daylight balanced (5600K). But can be used with "old school" tungsten 3200K light sources (ie. warm artificial light source) with a Wratten 80A filter, giving a faster film stock than old Kodachrome and colour correcting in the process to some degree, depending upon the light source.

https://www.kodak.com/uploadedFiles/Consumer/Products/Film/Ektach rome/Technical-data-7294-EKTACHROME-100D.pdf

Oddly, you need to set an old super 8 camera to the tungsten or light bulb setting for D film. This removes the Wratten 85 filter which used to colour correct Kodachrome 40 type A (3200K balanced) tungsten balance to daylight 5600K.

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Graham Sinden
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posted September 25, 2018 02:48 PM

Rob,

Try using John Salim. Ive used the services to develop some 9.5mm film and results were excellent. He even sends you a email telling you what the film came out like. He even takes Paypal. Not used him for Super 8 but I will do.

https://www.johnsalimphotographic.co.uk/

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Simon McConway
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posted September 25, 2018 03:10 PM

I too use John Salim. His customer service is exceptional. He’s processed jammed cartridges and everything! Highly recommended.

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Dominique De Bast
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posted September 25, 2018 03:43 PM

Sad that John Salim doesn't process black and white 9.5 films...

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Daniel Macarone
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posted September 25, 2018 04:24 PM

I'm very glad, because I shot my last roll a few months ago and I've been looking for updates on this all the time.

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Paul Adsett
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posted September 25, 2018 04:49 PM

Will Dwayne's in the USA process the super 8 film?

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Steve Klare
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posted September 25, 2018 06:55 PM

I‘d say so: their website says they are processing 100D.

I’ve been going with them since Kodachrome days: I had 4 rolls in that last batch!

It would be nice if they sold pre-paid mailers again: getting the film mailed off to the lab is a pain!

(Entire feature films have been made while I got around to mailing exposed cartridges to the lab more than a few times!)

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Bryan Chernick
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posted September 25, 2018 11:45 PM

Dwayne’s processes Super 8, Regular 8mm and 16mm. I just got a roll of Regular 8mm E100D back from them a few weeks ago. I read somewhere that Kodak will be providing unperforated 16mm for other firms to make Regular 8mm. I’m sure Wittner Cinitec will be making some.

I just pre-ordered two rolls of 35mm Ektachrome from Freestyle Photo, it’s supposed to ship in a few weeks.

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Rob Young.
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posted September 26, 2018 04:59 AM

Thanks guys for the John Salim link - not cheap but glad he's there.

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Maurice Leakey
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posted September 26, 2018 06:11 AM

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Set an older Super 8 camera to Tungsten as this will remove the 85 filter which used to convert Kodachrome A

Rob offered the above advice. Will the older cameras acknowledge the notch of the new Ektachrome 100D cartridge?

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Rob Young.
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posted September 26, 2018 07:40 AM

Maurice, this is useful;

http://super8wiki.com/index.php/Super_8_EKTACHROME_100D_motion_picture_film_exposed_in_old_cameras

I last ran Ektachrome 100D in a camera which acknowledged it as 40 ASA. It looked ok, slightly over exposed but ok.

On a bright sunny day, however, the camera iris was closed right down and started to flicker, so for very bright days a neutral density filter would be the solution.

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Paul Adsett
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posted September 26, 2018 09:55 AM

I called Dwayne's this morning and they confirmed that they will be processing the new Kodak super 8 Ektachrome 100D. They also plan on stocking it for sale.

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Maurice Leakey
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posted September 26, 2018 10:00 AM

Thank you, Rob.
I'm sure that the owners of the more basic cameras will be interested in your link.
However, if I ever get my camera out I don't need to worry because it's a Russian Zenit Quarz 1x8S-2 bought from the Widescreen Centre some twenty years ago.
http://zenitquarzcameras.blogspot.com/

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Osi Osgood
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posted September 26, 2018 11:30 AM

Maybe I had that earlier Ektachrome that was really grainey. It's possible. It's been so long that i have no idea as to what "generation" of Ektachrome it was.

Yep! Nothing beats Kodachrome!!! [Smile]

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