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Jonathan Sanders
Film Handler
Posts: 82
From: Bath, England
Registered: Oct 2005
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posted August 22, 2007 07:36 AM
Joseph,
You should find THE HAUNTED HOUSE and COPS easy to find on Super or Standard 8mm, as they were issued by several companies in the UK and elsewhere. Collectors Club also released THE GOAT (not quite complete) and THE BOAT in the UK but they were not available for long.
STEAMBOAT BILL JR was available from Blackhawk Films (US) and possibly elsewhere, so it does turn up - in fact, a copy is currently offered for sale on this forum (but with another, non-Keaton film).
NEIGHBORS and THE ELECTRIC HOUSE will be much more difficult (and expensive) to find, though a certain UK eBay seller has auctioned 8mm prints of almost every extant Keaton silent (including the two MGM features!) in the last few years. I believe 8mm copies of these rarer Keaton silents were unofficially released by a South American dealer many years ago.
If you want details of any other Keaton 8mm releases, especially in the UK, please let me know. Features available from Collectors Club were THE GENERAL, COLLEGE, SEVEN CHANCES and (in a poor print) THE NAVIGATOR, so these turn up fairly often, as do some of the other shorts, including a couple of the Arbuckle-Keaton films, CONEY ISLAND and THE GARAGE.
Good luck!
Jonathan
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Joe Caruso
Film God
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From: USA
Registered: Jun 2003
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posted August 22, 2007 07:49 AM
Hello, Always happy to meet a fellow Joseph - I'm a long-term collector, especially of Blackhawk in Super and Std 8 - You might want to consider FATTY AT CONEY ISLAND (1917), which was originally released by Griggs and Niles - This is the only film in which Keaton laughs - Another early Arbuckle/Keaton entry is THE GARAGE (Super 8) again from NILES - Not bad at all - THE BALLONATIC, THE BLACKSMITH, COPS, STEAMBOAT BILL, JR. and THE GENERAL, were all Blackhawk releases both silent and a score - Beautiful ones they are, so try and search for the music/effects tracks of those - COPS was also released by GRIGGS containing a goat gland sequence not in the Blackhawk one - A great site to visit is Phil Johnson's at 8mm16mmfilmscollectibles.com - I think he has a silent print of THE BOAT - Some of those other shorts; ELECTRIC HOUSE, etc were put out by Enrique Bouchard many years ago, as I recall - Stay in touch here and welcome - Cheers, Shorty
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Jonathan Sanders
Film Handler
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From: Bath, England
Registered: Oct 2005
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posted August 22, 2007 07:56 AM
Joe,
The only ones I think are definitely impossible are the rarest Arbuckle-Keaton films that were only discovered even on 35mm (or 16mm) in the last few years; titles such as THE COOK, OH! DOCTOR and MOONSHINE.
But there are many others (including most of the Arbuckle-Keatons) that I would say are almost impossible because they were never "officially" released on 8mm. The copies I saw on eBay were the only ones I've ever seen and I recall some titles like the two-reel CONVICT 13 (once believed a lost film on any gauge) sold for about £35.
You could of course supplement your collection with DVD releases, which in some cases will give you more complete versions of the films than were ever released on 8mm.
The easiest films to find on 8mm (in the UK) are the Collectors Club features mentioned above, CONEY ISLAND, THE GARAGE, plus the solo shorts ONE WEEK, THE HAUNTED HOUSE, THE PALEFACE (sometimes cut to one reel), COPS, THE BLACKSMITH and THE BALLOONATIC. Some others, like THE PLAYHOUSE, were available in the US.
Jonathan
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Joe Caruso
Film God
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From: USA
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posted August 29, 2007 01:08 PM
Hi Joe, years ago, I had a film short and clipped at the end was a minute or so of BUTCHER BOY, this was Std 8 - I regret selling that reel - Unhappily, nothing I have for sale right now - Also, I think CONVICT 13 was pretty much available in one-reel for a long time before being restored - The "lost" Keaton was HARD LUCK, which I think luckily (pun intended), has been re-discovered - Coincidentally, tomorrow (30th) all day and night the day is devoted to Buster on TCM, so ladies and gentlemen, set your timers - Shorty
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