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Paul Foster
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From: U.K.
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posted June 06, 2012 11:29 AM

My website has been updated today.

WWW.FOSTERFILMS.CO.UK

Thanks for looking.

Paul.

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Phil Slater
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posted June 06, 2012 02:59 PM

Fantastic list Paul! Some rare films on there.
Sent you 3 emails.

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Winbert Hutahaean
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posted June 06, 2012 02:59 PM

Paul, with all due respect, your price is higher than CHC.

I compared T&J in your site is between GBP 13 - GBP 15 while in CHC is between GBP 8 - GBP 10.

No three parter (color) are offered below GBP 30 (mostly GBP 40 - GBP 60) while in CHC there some GBP 18 - GBP25. I bought `Formula` with good color and OB at CHC for GBP 25.

I am sorry if this post sounds too strong for you, but sometime we need to compare the price, so we can hold the price of 8mm films not to hike so quickly.

cheers,

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Winbert

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Graham Sinden
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posted June 06, 2012 03:25 PM

Winbert,

I dont think it right to compare prices between dealers. If you dont like the prices then dont buy them. Paul is one of the best dealers around and his prices are always very reasonable. And with Paul you always know what you are getting because he states what film stock they are on, i.e. LPP.

Graham S

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Winbert Hutahaean
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posted June 06, 2012 03:52 PM

Graham, for sure with that price I will not buy any.... [Wink]

I understand my post will trigger sentiment from those who prefer to maintain this status-quo not to be discussed. Therefore enjoy this ad (Coke vs Pepsi):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXDSWhobbfc

ps: Funny thing that we used to discuss how expensive was the price of "Aussie on Super 8" (another dealer in Australia) without any objection..... Is it because this dealer was in Australia? [Wink]

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Winbert

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Michael O'Regan
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posted June 06, 2012 04:31 PM

I agree with Graham.

Nobody has any business publicly criticising anyone elses prices. If you don't like don't buy. If you want to negotiate with the dealer directly, do so privately - not on a public forum.

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Pasquale DAlessio
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posted June 06, 2012 04:32 PM

Winbert

I remember the first time I saw that commercial. I couldn't stop laughing. And that little girl is adorable. I showed it to my wife and she still laughed at it.

Pat

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Winbert Hutahaean
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posted June 06, 2012 04:49 PM

quote:
If you don't like don't buy.

Michael, then why nobody expressed the same voice like you when this thread come up:

Aussie's "Films On Super 8"?

or

Australian Super 8 company?

The majority of members are saying:

Prices are outrageous

the prices for these even sealed today are well too much on the price.

the prices are high

I think their prices are expensive.

etc, etc....

Those comments are just the same with my comment above, only I started by saying "with all due respect"

Michael, you are saying

quote:
"Nobody has any business publicly criticising anyone elses prices".

Please remember, the ones we talked are dealers, Paul Foster is a dealer, not a private seller. He has a registered company. Dealers are advertising their items publicly, using public board and this means, their price and service can be discussed publicly too.

Can't we criticize "British Airways" ? Of course we can. So why I cannot criticize Paul Foster?

Now, enjoy this funny banner I found on Fedex website:

cheers,

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Winbert

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Graham Sinden
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posted June 06, 2012 05:22 PM

Winbert,

I understand the point your making but those posts about the Australian film company were made several years ago.

Since then the Cine scene is a lot different today with Derann gone and the lab closure means that for certain titles there are only so many prints out there which only can lead to rising prices. This has been discussed many times. Ebay also probably pushes prices up.

But the main point is that because the Cine scene is smaller today with less dealers, we want to preserve the ones that are still going and are against discussing them on a forum like this.

Graham S

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Winbert Hutahaean
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posted June 06, 2012 06:03 PM

quote:
those posts about the Australian film company were made several years ago.

No... The first thread was indeed posted in 2008 but the last comment was written only several days ago.

The second threas was even made only last year and the same voice was still received.

I just want to make everything to be fair and square. A dealer is not protected from criticism. However a private seller is a different thing, you deal with it privately.

One thing that I notice, Paul Foster film is hardly to have discount period like Independent 8 does in many occassion.

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Hugh Thompson Scott
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posted June 06, 2012 07:42 PM

Well I can see Winbert's point and have to say that CHC are a
business with premises and staff who buy and sell film.They release new product and have a new magazine devoted to the
film collector (even though Phil forgot to place my ads,I forgive
him) so there is a huge difference to Phil Sheards operation
and any of the UK dealerships.CHC have also invested heavily in this hobby and I don't know how he does it.To add to the mix,CHC still put out a printed list, as not everyone is on the net, as I wasn't until recently.Some of CHCs stuff can be pricey especially the new trailers,which is understandable given the price of film.I have always found CHC to be very fair on their seconhand films and as far as I'm concerned,I wasn't dropped in favour of customers on the net,so the least I can do is repay the favour and keep faith with them and the other dealers who
still send out a list to collectors not on computers.

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Joe Taffis
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posted June 06, 2012 09:33 PM

All Paul did was make his usual update post [Frown]

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Joe Taffis

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Pasquale DAlessio
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posted June 06, 2012 11:46 PM

Which is very welcomed and looked forward to here! [Eek!]

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Austin Holcomb
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posted June 07, 2012 12:00 AM

I wish I had the cash for gremlins! Maby for Christmas (; But some amazing films on your list.
Best of luck!
Austin

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Lee Mannering
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posted June 07, 2012 02:32 AM

I can’t speak to highly of Paul. There was a film I was looking for and he went way beyond the call of duty to be of help and as always it is important we support all our remaining dealers. Thanks old bean.

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Michael O'Regan
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posted June 07, 2012 03:44 AM

From what I can see on that old Australian thread those prices were pretty outrageous and that's what drew the comments on prices. This is a little different to the comparison between Foster and CHC where there is a difference of a few pounds here and there.
Are you suggesting, Winbert, that there should be a set price based on the title involved, regardless of condition, etc.? These are used items, lets not forget. The analogy with BA is poor.

Incidentally, Foster does indeed have discount periods quite regularly, Winbert.

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Joe Balitzki
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posted June 07, 2012 04:17 AM

Having worked in retail for many years, I feel that your criticism
is out of line. Do you walk into retail stores and b*tch to them about their prices? Most shoppers just go to another store. Its all about supply and demand plus what was paid for the prints before resale. First you push the envelope with copyright, and now this. If you don't like the prices, then shop elsewhere. There are only a handful of re-sellers left now and they are to be commended for supporting the hobby.

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Movie Lovers Do It in the Dark

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Hugh Thompson Scott
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posted June 07, 2012 05:06 AM

Dealers aren't there to provide a service to collectors Joe,they
are there to make money.The only dealership that supports the
hobby is CHC who does print new material, and did try to import
a S/8 projector some years ago to the resounding no support
from collectors.Winbert has every right to question prices,this is
a Forum,where else would it be discussed.Full marks to Winbert
for being forthright and honest.

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Winbert Hutahaean
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posted June 07, 2012 08:27 AM

quote:
Do you walk into retail stores and b*tch to them about their prices?

Joe this is an internet forum, we do this so many times. Please visit redflag.com and they do criticsm on prices every stores/dealer and referring each other to the place selling cheaper one for the same product. So why my comment just like a new thing to us? [Confused]

You guys are so funny when we can comment someone's ebay listing is high but cannot do that to Paul Foster. Is this because of he is Paul Foster, not anyone else??

quote:
Are you suggesting, Winbert, that there should be a set price based on the title involved, regardless of condition, etc.? These are used items, lets not forget.

Of course not, I am suggesting that Paul to set the price more fairness. Please look at his Walton TJ price where we all know they are too common, eg:

quote:
JERRY AND JUMBO 1X200 £12.99. Original Walton Films box.

Below is my thought to this hobby.

You guys are talking about how to preserve this hobby, but forget to think that in order to do that we need new bloods or new comers to join.

We majority here are the old cracks with established collection in our house and did understand why price of prints are expensive.

Most of us here were already in collecting hobby since Ken Films distributed their catalog with $52 for one 400'...a price that still sounds expensive for today's world.

But we live only (perhaps) another 10-30 years, and young generations (such as Austin above) are involved in ths hobby just recently. They were born in DVD world and hard to take why a 7 minute film could worth $20.

When few young generation continue this hobby, this collecting hobby will fade away as we are all going to die.

The only way to attract more young people joining this hibby is to keep the price down, and the only way I can do is to criticize the price set by a dealer. Remmember I am talking a DEALER not a private seller. As Hugh says above, a dealer is someeone/company who make a profit from buying/selling print that is why we CAN critizise them. We can say publicly too that the price of British Airways is higher than Virgin, can't we?

C'mon guys get out from your comfort zone. We need to attract more new bloods or this hobby will fade away.

Hope you can understand my point of stand.

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Winbert

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Keith Ashfield
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posted June 07, 2012 09:38 AM

quote:
Winbert - I am suggesting that Paul to set the price more fairness

Fair to whom?

I would think that Paul considers his prices to be very fair. What is expensive to one collector is cheap for another. It is "supply and demand".

Personally, I have always found Paul to be very fair when "negotiating" prices.

I would imagine, whilst sale prices appear to have "increased" since Derann's demise, the same probably applies to the people selling their "collections" to the dealers. If they are astute enough, they will demand higher prices when selling.

As for "frightening away new blood" IMHO that is a bit over re-active. Collectors get involved with something because of "interest". If you had to look constructively at any "collecting hobby" then I think that "cost" is very low on the list when it comes to priorities. If that were so, then film collecting forums (or any collecting forum, for that matter) would not exist.

Why collect vinyl when you can have MP3?

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Winbert Hutahaean
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posted June 07, 2012 09:50 AM

quote:
Why collect vinyl when you can have MP3?

Good you take Vinyl as the parallelism.

...Because we can still buy a $1 (or even 50 cents) vinyls for well-known artists.

I notice that most of new bloods in vinyl collecting hobby start from these cheap vinyls before they buy MFSL or half speed mastering LPs for hundreds dollar a piece.

Thanks Keith for bringing vinyl into discussion, it is more enlightening my opinion.

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Winbert

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Keith Ashfield
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posted June 07, 2012 10:18 AM

quote:
...Because we can still buy a $1 (or even 50 cents) vinyls for well-known artists.

MP3 can be obtained "free". But, this would not be classed as "true collecting" in my opinion.

At the end of the day, "collectors" will purchase what they want,from whomsoever they want, at a price they are prepared to pay. That price can be one man's bargain but, to another, a horrendous "rip off" - but if you consider it a "horrendous rip-off" you wouldn't buy it anyway, would you?

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Winbert Hutahaean
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posted June 07, 2012 10:36 AM

quote:
MP3 can be obtained "free".

No, cannot. If so, super 8mm films can also be obtained "free" (by stealing) [Razz]

What I am focusing is for those common titles price. And I am comparing with other dealers in the same country (same condition, same situation, same market). Something I don't think is a sin, if we believe in a free market.

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Winbert

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Keith Ashfield
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posted June 07, 2012 11:11 AM

In a "Free Market" we wouldn't be worrying about prices. [Big Grin]

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Paul Foster
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posted June 07, 2012 11:11 AM

I rarely get involved with internet discussions so will just say this. If you don't like the prices then dont buy, its as simple as that. Winbert as only ever bought two 400ft cutdowns off me in all the years I have been trading, which says a lot. Yet he loves to make snide remarks nearly every time I post the website update, he does it to others on here as well. Now I have to get back to work and am currently going through over 300 email orders, regular customers who think my prices are fair, especially compared to new prints from CHC. I will say no more on the subject but I am sure Winbert will, lol.

Many many thanks for the fantastic support. The hobby is booming again.
Paul.

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