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Patrick Feuerstein
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posted March 11, 2016 11:49 AM

Hello,

Search desperately two films released by Blackhawk in the 70': "Hearts and Flowers" (McSennett) and "Flying Elephants" (Laurel & Hardy).

Patrick

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Joe Caruso
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posted March 19, 2016 06:51 PM

Both are not too difficult to find, must search very hard

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Patrick Feuerstein
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posted March 20, 2016 05:27 AM

Dear Joe,

You're optimist! After years of search I'm discouraged.

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Joseph Randall
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posted March 22, 2016 07:28 PM

FLYING ELEPHANTS turns up under other titles from other manufacturers like Atlas -- but you have to buy it in 2 parts, usually.

Half the film is here:
FLYING ELEPHANTS

Whole film is listed here for $39 in standard 8mm:
FLYING ELEPHANTS

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Joe Caruso
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posted March 23, 2016 12:55 PM

I was also frustrated at never locating the 8mm silent SLIPPING WIVES - After hounding, badgering and all the animals under the rainbow...Success - Film collecting, like other areas of collecting take much dedication (medication), persistance and prevail - Time will help you

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Osi Osgood
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posted March 24, 2016 11:30 AM

... and finding prints of cherished films in the most unlikely of places at times, eh Shorty?

...especially when you have the joy of finding out that something DID make it onto super 8, and that search usually takes you into the international realms!

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Joseph Randall
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posted March 28, 2016 09:03 PM

Patrick,

Did you order FLYING ELEPHANTS?

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Patrick Feuerstein
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posted March 29, 2016 01:41 AM

No, it's Std8...

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Osi Osgood
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posted March 29, 2016 11:51 AM

I thought "Flying Elephants" was really just part 4 (final reel) of "Flying Deuces"?

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Joe Caruso
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posted March 29, 2016 03:14 PM

Interesting parlay - Patrick, I'd go with the Std 8mm prints most of the time, especially with Blackhawk Films - Their pre-print was A-1 on the Roach materials - Std 8, which began in earnest in 1932, was culled from the finest 16mm elements, so you can be sure when it comes to that - Most any film in Std 8 from about 1932 onwards, will 95% of the time be exceptional, not all companies were like this - Mainly Blackhawk - FLYING ELEPHANTS, which was available as far back as 1954 is a first-rate example - It is also one of the rarest silents, because of availabilty (good seller too) - So, get the Std 8, you'll be able to locate a Super 8 afterwards - They seem to go together like...Laurel & Hardy - Adieu, Shorty

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Osi Osgood
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posted March 30, 2016 11:48 AM

I feel silly, I have "The Laurel and Hardy Films" (hardbound edition), and looked it up at home, I didn't realize that it was one of the shorts, but I must confess (PLEASE don't tar and feather me, most honorable Shorty!), that I have NOT seen every short the lads have done!

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Pasquale DAlessio
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posted March 30, 2016 12:44 PM

Osi

Isn't that supposed to be "two tars'? [Smile]

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Joe Caruso
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posted March 30, 2016 03:12 PM

or twice two

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Osi Osgood
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posted March 31, 2016 12:45 PM

You Guys!!!! [Big Grin]

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Joseph Randall
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posted March 31, 2016 08:49 PM

Patrick,

It might be worth investing in a Standard 8mm projector if you have a taste for rare silent films. That gauge was around much longer than Super 8. In any case -- good luck!

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Patrick Feuerstein
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posted April 01, 2016 01:51 AM

I have a lot of Std8 projectors, including the famous Kodak sound. But I converted my collection in Super8 for convenience.

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Joe Caruso
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posted April 01, 2016 08:21 AM

always keep and strive more Std 8, there's alot more around since its inception (1932) and Super 8 (1965) - More in the smaller gauge, and sometimes the rarest/earliest extant films not available in Super 8 - Diversify

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Joseph Randall
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posted April 17, 2016 07:39 PM

FLYING ELEPHANTS

Not Blackhawk, and only half the film, but in Super 8. I'd grab it until the real thing comes along.

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Osi Osgood
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posted April 18, 2016 11:29 AM

Shorty is absolutely right, STRIVE for the standard 8mm prints, as they were far above the super 8 prints of the same titles, by the same company.

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Joseph Randall
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posted April 18, 2016 06:01 PM

With Blackhawk, sometimes the Standard 8mm was better -- other times not. I've upgraded from Standard to Super for many of the Laurel and Hardy silents. Sometimes, it wasn't as good. Sometimes, it was the same. Sometimes, it was better. The projector is a big variable, since I love to project on my 150 watt Elmo ST-1200HD. I get a brighter picture -- sometimes, Blackhawk printed too dark for Standard 8mm.

Examples: My PUTTING PANTS ON PHILLIP is Standard 8mm looks almost like a 16mm print with theatrical density. My Super 8 is printed too bright. Same with SUGAR DADDIES.

WRONG AGAIN in Super 8 was an upgrade from the Standard 8, which was a bit dark.

LEAVE'EM LAUGHING was about the same in both gauges.

Another variable -- Standard 8mm prints seem to be more beat up that Super 8 prints -- but that has just been my experience.

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Joseph Randall
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posted June 22, 2016 02:06 PM

FLYING ELEPHANTS

Since this is 860, it is Super 8, but check with the seller to be sure.

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Joseph Randall
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posted June 22, 2016 08:27 PM

It sold already at the BIN price. This was a case of a seller not knowing what he had and under-priced it.

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Patrick Feuerstein
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posted June 23, 2016 01:40 AM

Thanks Joseph, I will see... even in Std8. It's me who bought it as soon as I read your message.

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Joseph Randall
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posted June 23, 2016 02:15 PM

Great Patrick! I'm glad it was you that got it!
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Joe Caruso
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posted June 23, 2016 02:35 PM

Now you'll know Std 8 has superior aspects

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