8mm Forum: Ebay Projector

»	8mm Forum » 16mm Forum » Ebay Projector (Page 1)

UBBFriend: Email this page to someone!

This topic comprises 2 pages: 1 2

Author

Topic: Ebay Projector

Michael O'Regan
Film God

Posts: 3085
From: Essex, UK
Registered: Oct 2007

posted April 29, 2009 01:24 PM

I'm usually very wary of so-called "new, unused" projectors because, more often than not, it means they've been lying around unused somewhere for years, which is not generally good for them.
However, this looks like a beauty:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Mint-ELF-NT1-16mm-Cine-Projector-LIMITED-EDITION_W0QQitemZ350196303507QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Photography_VintagePhotography_VintagePhotoAccessories?hash=item35 0196303507&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A10%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318

No B&H worm gear problems to worry about.

-Mike

| IP: Logged

Steven J Kirk
Jedi Master Film Handler

Posts: 873
From: Southern England
Registered: Apr 2008

posted April 29, 2009 05:22 PM

Looks good. I'm not a total Elf NT expert but I have two very similar to this. Mine are 1982-83. The eBay one has no undertray with mains cutoff switch, which puts it back at that period but he claims it is the latest variant. It also has the round motor belt not the later 'flatworm' one which I believed was the last type on them. I've emailed him for the serial number. My two are in the 40,000s and they certainly went into the 60,000s. I have the earlier 'metal lamphouse' type also at 25,000 odd.

--------------------
VistaVision
Motion Picture High-Fidelity

| IP: Logged

Kevin Faulkner
Film God

Posts: 4071
From: Essex UK
Registered: Jun 2003

posted April 29, 2009 05:42 PM

Yep and I have had bad dealings with this guy before with an earlier auction for some film.

When I complained about a problem he was extremely rude [Mad]

I for one wont deal with him again.

Kev.

--------------------
GS1200 Xenon with Elmo 1.0...great combo along with a 16-CL Xenon for that super bright white light.

| IP: Logged

David Erskine
Expert Film Handler

Posts: 230
From: Letchworth Garden City, Herts
Registered: Aug 2008

posted April 29, 2009 06:36 PM

The label in one pic shows Elf bods being at Slough. That closed down around 1987 - so that m/c has to be before that date no matter what the seller implies. Just my happorth! Cheers, David E

--------------------
I've NEVER let failure go to MY head!

| IP: Logged

Steven J Kirk
Jedi Master Film Handler

Posts: 873
From: Southern England
Registered: Apr 2008

posted April 29, 2009 06:54 PM

Interesting about the Slough centre. My main pair both have that label. I think the eBay machine is a 'refurbishment' of some kind with a mixture of parts. That's not to say it isn't a reasonable machine but it isn't 'brand new, unused'.

--------------------
VistaVision
Motion Picture High-Fidelity

| IP: Logged

Michael O'Regan
Film God

Posts: 3085
From: Essex, UK
Registered: Oct 2007

posted April 30, 2009 02:45 AM

It'll be interesting to see how much it goes for.

| IP: Logged

Paul Spinks
Master Film Handler

Posts: 453
From: Barking, Essex, UK
Registered: Mar 2006

posted April 30, 2009 07:53 AM

I have bought items from Eddie Smyth in the past and have always had 1st class service and top quality products from him. I would certainly recommend him. If he is selling that projector you can guarantee that it will be in excellent working condition and well worth owning. His 8 years on ebay and 100% feedback after over two thousand transactions confirm that he can be trusted. I have no connection with him other than being a satisfied buyer but I recommend him wholeheartedly.

Paul.

| IP: Logged

Steven J Kirk
Jedi Master Film Handler

Posts: 873
From: Southern England
Registered: Apr 2008

posted April 30, 2009 01:15 PM

He emailed me the serial number which is: NT 40299. This would put it with my main pair in 1982-3. But neither of mine have the one-switch rewind. Odd. I haven't purchased a lot from him, only some belts, so on that I couldn't say either way. I would only say, 'if it's brand new where's the box?' I actually did get box and poly sections with one machine and still only paid around £120.

--------------------
VistaVision
Motion Picture High-Fidelity

| IP: Logged

Michael O'Regan
Film God

Posts: 3085
From: Essex, UK
Registered: Oct 2007

posted April 30, 2009 02:11 PM

To be honest, the one-switch rewind is hardly a selling point - how difficult is rewinding the conventional way with the NT-1???

However, the whole machine looks very clean. Has anyone asked the seller where the machine has been for the past few years?
-Mike

| IP: Logged

Adrian Winchester
Film God

Posts: 2941
From: Croydon, London, UK
Registered: Aug 2004

posted April 30, 2009 08:43 PM

It certainly looks brand new and virtually untouched to me. Signs include a lack of fingerprints, the plastic protective covering still on metal plates, and the speaker lead hasn't been unwound and has a residue indicating prolonged contact with polystyrene.

--------------------
Adrian Winchester

| IP: Logged

John Whittle
Jedi Master Film Handler

Posts: 791
From: Northridge, CA USA
Registered: Jun 2003

posted May 01, 2009 03:49 PM

New or not, this machine is about 30 years old. Keep that in mind as to plastics getting brittle and polyurtheane problems with belts and rubber hardening.

While heavier than an SNT, the SNT had many improvments.

John

| IP: Logged

Michael O'Regan
Film God

Posts: 3085
From: Essex, UK
Registered: Oct 2007

posted May 01, 2009 05:23 PM

Absolutely correct.

Like I said - if it's been sitting around unused for a long time it ain't gonna perform like a brand new anything!!

-Mike

| IP: Logged

Steven J Kirk
Jedi Master Film Handler

Posts: 873
From: Southern England
Registered: Apr 2008

posted May 05, 2009 01:16 PM

Anyone seen the price of this! A day to go and touching £400! SO not worth it, in my humble opinion. The serial number on this is 2000 before two I have. I have a third for spares, all three didn't cost that. I'm picky about the cosmetic condition too.

--------------------
VistaVision
Motion Picture High-Fidelity

| IP: Logged

Michael O'Regan
Film God

Posts: 3085
From: Essex, UK
Registered: Oct 2007

posted May 05, 2009 01:39 PM

That price is way too much for that projector IMO.

The thing is that people get taken in by the "Mint, Unused" tags and expect that it is just fresh from the factory.

It does look very nice but.....way too much to spend on a Halogen Eiki.

My tuppence worth.

-Mike

| IP: Logged

Steven J Kirk
Jedi Master Film Handler

Posts: 873
From: Southern England
Registered: Apr 2008

posted May 05, 2009 01:56 PM

He told me the serial number but hasn't put that in the listing, I think. He said he was going to. It isn't the last version though it may have lain in storage for years. You can do things differently and get good results: I intentionally went after several in the last couple of years, expecting to have to combine parts etc, but for just under £400 I have a nice pair and a spare.

--------------------
VistaVision
Motion Picture High-Fidelity

| IP: Logged

Steven J Kirk
Jedi Master Film Handler

Posts: 873
From: Southern England
Registered: Apr 2008

posted May 06, 2009 01:06 PM

Gulp! £480!

--------------------
VistaVision
Motion Picture High-Fidelity

| IP: Logged

Michael O'Regan
Film God

Posts: 3085
From: Essex, UK
Registered: Oct 2007

posted May 06, 2009 01:11 PM

Unbelievable.
I hope the winner will be very happy with it [Smile]

| IP: Logged

Steven J Kirk
Jedi Master Film Handler

Posts: 873
From: Southern England
Registered: Apr 2008

posted May 06, 2009 01:51 PM

I honestly hope so too. If he is a member of this forum I wish him well with it and that it performs well for years. Too much of a gamble for me however...

--------------------
VistaVision
Motion Picture High-Fidelity

| IP: Logged

Claus Harding
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1149
From: Washington DC
Registered: Oct 2006

posted May 06, 2009 07:06 PM

Goodness...at the current exchange rate, that would be $726 [Eek!]

That's more than I paid for my XENON Eiki.

Only on EBay...

Claus.

--------------------
"Why are there shots of deserts in a scene that's supposed to take place in Belgium during the winter?" (Review of 'Battle of the Bulge'.)

| IP: Logged

Lars Pettersson
Master Film Handler

Posts: 282
From: Stockholm, Sweden
Registered: Jan 2007

posted May 07, 2009 02:24 AM

Probably more than twice what it´s worth. [Big Grin]

Nice presentation video, though! [Smile]

Cheers
Lars

| IP: Logged

Simon Wyss
Film Handler

Posts: 78
From: Äsch, Switzerland
Registered: Apr 2009

posted May 08, 2009 10:01 AM

Friends, these Eiki projectors have a drawback which is overheating. I have an RT-3 (identical except for SEPMAG), and I must say that the air conduction through the lamp house is so uneffective that you can't touch the aperture plate after a half-hour run. That means one cannot rely on film waxing in order to secure good steadyness although one needs to lubricate the film since it runs through an all metal gate. Pity

| IP: Logged

Michael O'Regan
Film God

Posts: 3085
From: Essex, UK
Registered: Oct 2007

posted May 08, 2009 01:11 PM

Yeah, I'll agree with the overheating issue. I have an RM-1 and an RT-1 and both get very hot.

BUT....it's never caused me any problems with presentation. Film runs through there very nicely.

-Mike

| IP: Logged

John Whittle
Jedi Master Film Handler

Posts: 791
From: Northridge, CA USA
Registered: Jun 2003

posted May 08, 2009 04:51 PM

Never had the heat problem at the aperture plate/film gate. What lamp are you running? The specs for the original lamps had a dichoric coating which only reflected visible light and let the infrared pass through the back of the reflector.

Then again there were some problems with plastic fans on some runs of the projector. So check the fan to see it's secure, not broken or dirty.

What's more on the Xenon version running the 350 watt lamp I didn't have this problem on the 2000N or 3000N (currently I have a pair of 3500 slot loaders with change over and no problem there as well).

One other thing is that the motor does turn slower on the 50hz systems, but I doubt that would account for that much heat.

John

| IP: Logged

Michael O'Regan
Film God

Posts: 3085
From: Essex, UK
Registered: Oct 2007

posted May 08, 2009 05:10 PM

Running ELC Xenophot lamps. Fan seems OK too. I wouldn't even have remarked on it had it not been for the previous post.
As I said, it hasn't been a problem - except maybe if I need to adjust the framing. The framing lever has lost its plastic finger tab and this is almost too hot to touch at times.

-Mike

| IP: Logged

Adrian Winchester
Film God

Posts: 2941
From: Croydon, London, UK
Registered: Aug 2004

posted May 08, 2009 09:17 PM

"Like I said - if it's been sitting around unused for a long time it ain't gonna perform like a brand new anything!!
-Mike"

I can't entirely agree as about 4 years ago I bought a brand new (still in the original box) mid-1980s Eiki ENT. Apart from my needing to tighten the framing lever after a while, it has performed perfectly. I suspect that it might help when a projector is still sealed in a polythene bag inside the box, as mine was.

I agree that the price of the NT was astonishing, though, considering that you sometimes see as new ones sold for around £100.

[ May 11, 2009, 10:46 AM: Message edited by: Adrian Winchester ]

--------------------
Adrian Winchester

| IP: Logged

All times are Central

This topic comprises 2 pages: 1 2

Printer-friendly view of this topic

UBB.classic^TM 6.3.1.2