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Topic: Searchers Vinegar print on ebay
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David C. Lucidi
Expert Film Handler
Posts: 127
From: Glenolden, PA, USA
Registered: Nov 2013
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posted December 08, 2013 11:36 AM
Couple of things:
1.) Yes, IB Tech can and does develop vinegar syndrome. Search google and you will find this happening on other forums. The only kind that cannot get vinegar is Mylar stock.
2.) My IB Tech print of "Robin and the 7 Hoods" has vinegar syndrome. Initially had a VERY strong smell. I was able to treat it with Film Renew and Vitafilm, so the smell was GREATLY reduced....but when it was first discovered it smelled like a fresh bottle of vinegar (my wife thought I broke a bottle of vinegar, and she was on another floor! That's how strong the smell was). It (the smell) is almost gone now thanks to the film treatments, but alas they say there is no "cure". That said, it projects fine, takes up fine....so, I'm not throwing it out.
3.) Technicolor prints come in many formats, not just with Technicolor printed along the edge. Check this link for *five* examples, including the "TECHNICOLOR" along the edge version: http://www.paulivester.com/films/filmstock/ (By the way, none of my Technicolor prints have TECHNICOLOR on the edge, for what it is worth).
People tend to freak about vinegar prints, saying it "spreads" to other prints. I am not saying this cannot happen, but can state from my own experience: Of my 100+ features (and about 20 shorts and 40 cartoons), only 1 has vinegar -- all stored in the same area (albeit all in containers). Maybe it is more likely to spread if the films are all out of containers, I dunno...
I say if its a print you REALLY would like to have, and is otherwise NOT able to be found...buy it. So long as it's not warped, or turning into jelly -- just soak it in one of the film treatments (I did it for 90 days), let it air out, re-treat it if the smell comes back, and enjoy it for as long as you can until it goes south. I discovered the vinegar syndrome on mine 3 years ago, and so far the smell has stayed away and I just projected it 2 months ago with no issues.
Then again if it's a common title and easy to find, pass on this and hold out ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
Here is one link with a picture of extreme warping....you can google for other more extreme examples (all to stay away from): http://ian-partridge.com/vsynd.html
Hope this helps! ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Jeff Missinne
Film Handler
Posts: 69
From: Superior, WI USA
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted December 18, 2013 05:52 PM
For those who are really curious about how IB Technicolor 16mm prints were made, please look up the following oddball item on ebay:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/16mm-IB-TECH-1956-TO-YOUR-HEALTH-BRITISH-Cartoon-w-Heads-Tails-MORE-Movie-Film-/201002003599?pt=US_Film&hash=item2ecca72c8f
A 16mm IB Tech cartoon on 35mm stock. This is how Technicolor used to have to make 16mm prints, and why they cost so damn much. They had to make a 35mm print, develop the sound track, then reperforate it and shear off more than half as waste film.
This was the outcome of a "gentleman's agreement" (or "devil's bargain") between Technicolor and Eastman Kodak that lasted from the late 1930's into at least the 1950's. Eastman agreed to stay out of motion picture color wider than 16mm, except for selling long rolls of 35mm Kodachrome exclusively to Technicolor, who marketed it as "Monopack Technicolor," with Kodak processing it for them; and Technicolor agreed to not process any film narrower than 35mm. But when producers demanded Technicolor prints in 16mm, they came up with this as an "end run" around their agreement.
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