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Topic: Vinegar Syndrome Odor Cure
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Brad Miller
Administrator
Posts: 525
From: Dallas, TX, USA
Registered: Jun 2003
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posted July 12, 2014 04:04 PM
As stated above, there is no cure for VS...although to cover up the odor might make the film able to be brought back into the house to run it! ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
I know FilmGuard covers up the odor and lubricates the film so it can run through a projector without too much stress. I've heard similar reports on other cleaners. My concern with Fabrese is that it isn't designed as a film cleaner, so you may find in 6 months the film is literally glued together, or you could actually be making a NEW odorless chemical gas that could be worse (either to that print or others in the same room).
It's a very interesting test, but I would keep that print completely separated from all other prints for at least a year before even considering using it on another print. For example I had FilmGuarded test prints in beta test sites and various rolls in torture storage conditions for 10 years before I released the product to the public. Time is everything here, and it's possible one year may not even be enough, but I wouldn't consider anything less.
(By the way, take half of the film and rewind it once a month to give us status results and keep the other half on a reel without unwinding it for the full year.)
Do please let us know the results.
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Michael De Angelis
Phenomenal Film Handler
Posts: 1261
From: USA
Registered: Jul 2003
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posted July 12, 2014 04:32 PM
Do not use Fabreeze. It's not an approved for films.
Only use Film Renew, Vitafilm and Film Guard on films.
There are cleaners that are approved in Great Britain too.
I once purchased a cleaner from Derann. It was toxic, but it had a smell of camphor to it.
My films were rejuvenated when I used it and they became the most pliable films in my entire collection.
If it's a chemical smell that you experience then leave the films alone. It may be only the chemicals from the film processing.
Some "TV Prints" have been known to have been scratch coated to hide scratches.
I need to clarify that films that have been scratch coated or sealed may eventually develop vinegar and there is not any treatment that will help or cure it.
If it smells of chemicals then only air out the films, or keep them in a cardboard box and not sealed. Films need to breathe.
Keep the films away from heat, and high humidity climates. A stable climate is necessary. Kodak recommends 72 degrees with 42% relative humidity. Do not freeze the films in the 'fridge.
Films also get VS if they were not prepared properly during the developing and washing process.
Store the films preferably against an inside wall and not facing an outside wall in the house.
I keep my home movies in a closet that is not facing or against an outside wall.
I do not recommend a moldy basement.
VS may not be curable, but there are collectors that have experienced good results with the products and techniques that I mentioned and I attest that my results on the Way Out West feature was successful and it's not masking or covering up a vinegar smell. The Film Renew chemical smell is not present anymore and the film does not have any foul odor. Instead it has the smell of fresh film.
If a film has vinegar, then it must be kept separate and away from other films in a collection. VS has been known to infect good films.
I once had films with severe vinegar syndrome before the films began to spoke on the reel and I was never able to rejuvenate those films. But if you don't try, these recommendations that I mentioned earlier then you will never know if you can salvage the film.
I rather try to help the film, then not trying at all.
If you truly like a film, then isn't it worth a shot to try to reverse the process, providing that VS has not advanced too much on a film?
I wish everyone the best with their film collections and I only want to share my experience which has been positive.
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Isn't it great that we can all communicate about this great
hobby that we love!
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