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Osi Osgood
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From: Mountian Home, ID.
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posted April 13, 2017 12:28 PM

Look at this ...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1985-Super-8-Magnetic-Sound-Disneys-Cocoon-Derann-Print-Full-Length-Feature-EX-/282425555425?hash=item41c1dff9e1:g:~GIAAOSwmgJY4-45

OK, "Cocoon" is a good movie, and the super 8 print was very good, but that's even going beyond "STAR WARS' territory for a selling price (and it still has FOUR days!

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Dominique De Bast
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posted April 13, 2017 12:46 PM

22 bids !

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Andrew Woodcock
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posted April 13, 2017 12:59 PM

A Derann Super 8mm feature sold earlier for over 2k Dollars. That wasnt Star Wars either.

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Brian Fretwell
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From: London, UK
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posted April 13, 2017 04:07 PM

No vinegar syndrome on a Mylar base film, not really a surprise there.

I was beginning to think that the price for Star Wars prints was because they were Star Wars as I have seen the vinyl double album of the first soundtrack (early pressing with poster) up for £100, however it seems I was wrong.

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Tom Photiou
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From: Plymouth U.K
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posted April 13, 2017 05:00 PM

is this just bidders trying to out do one another? will the winner pay?
At this price for this title, i couldn't give a monkeys [Big Grin]

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Jason Smith
Master Film Handler

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From: Tohoku, Japan
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posted April 13, 2017 05:43 PM

I hope the buyer doesn't have buyers remorse.

Andrew, what film sold for over 2k?

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Burton Sundquist
Master Film Handler

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From: Burnaby, B.C. Canada
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posted April 14, 2017 08:34 PM

...The Derann release of "Gentlemen Prefer Blondes" sold on ebay
for just over 2k.

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David Hardy
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From: Johnshaven Village , Montrose, Scotland
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posted April 15, 2017 03:27 AM

Another example of the necessity of applying my sanity clause.
[Big Grin]

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Mark Todd
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posted April 15, 2017 04:29 AM

Thank Gawd we still have some decent and fair minded dealers in the hobby.

Its just ebay stupidity on not actually rare at all films !!!

Best Mark.

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Paul Barker
Master Film Handler

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From: Lancashire, England
Registered: Jun 2014

posted April 15, 2017 05:13 AM

anyone who pays high prices for films is totally NUTS. lets face it its the people who are willing to pay stupid money that keeps them high priced anyway.and it doesnt just happen in this hobby either. there is always some nutter out there ready to part with their money.its the reasons they give for buying that make me laugh.trying to justify what they have just bought. its rare,lovely colours, its like new,i was lucky to get it,i paid high but its worth it. do me a favour please.

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Tom Photiou
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posted April 15, 2017 05:19 AM

To be honest with you, (David your right on there), not that many go for these prices when you look at the bigger picture, (no pun intended there),, if the seller gets his dosh then good luck to him, as for the person who actually parts with the money, well, i wouldn't be allowed to put my words on here but i think you know where i'm coming from. Only an idiot would pay it. Its a good film but it aint no classic and it certainly inst worth a quarter of this. [Wink]

I actually think it's quite funny really, if it isn't paid then it has to be listed again. if he had come on here and 500 it would probably have sold, (still double what i think it would be worth),
You have to take a reality check here , what is it?
Its a cine movie, it isn't Gold and its available on many other formats that can be used to see it as intended, on the big screen. If it does sell and get paid for it's just making me wonder more and more why i am holding onto over 450 titles and 175 trailers n promo's.
My recent adventures into 16mm are looking much more realistic at present [Wink]

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Mike Newell
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posted April 15, 2017 11:09 AM

Maybe it's a serious Don Ameche fan there must be a few centaurians out there. I watched it once and it put be to sleep but each to their own.

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Mike Newell
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posted April 15, 2017 11:12 AM

Maybe it's a serious Don Ameche fan there must be a few centaurians out there. I watched it once and it put be to sleep but each to their own.

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Maurice Leakey
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posted April 15, 2017 11:16 AM

$2000 for Derann's "Gentlemen Prefer Blondes". Wow!
I bought my copy brand new from Derann in May 1996 for £249.99.
It has a sticker on its box celebrating Derann's 30th Anniversary.

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Andrew Woodcock
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posted April 15, 2017 02:34 PM

And mine too Maurice! ( sorry not 1996 new by me though).
I was too busy having and raising my children then.

Beautiful print isn't it? [Wink]

£250 very well spent sir! [Smile]

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David Hardy
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posted April 16, 2017 02:16 PM

As we say here in Scotland.
Some folk are nea wise and need their heids lookit at.
In other words... NUMPTIES ! [Big Grin]

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Andrew Woodcock
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posted April 16, 2017 04:23 PM

These are ridiculous sums of money for any one film David, I agree.
However the sum Maurice originally paid, I would personally be of the mindset of money well spent for what is a truly beautiful print on the favoured pre stripe laminated low fade stock.

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Jose Artiles
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posted April 16, 2017 06:39 PM

I recently buy a 16mm print of cocoon for 150 pounds,i think its a great price for a studio original print on LPP....

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David Hardy
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posted April 17, 2017 05:05 AM

So there you go then.
£ 150 for a 16mm on LPP stock ... BARGAIN !
£ 250 for a Super 8mm print maybe on LLP stock... NO BARGAIN !
I rest my case.
[Smile]

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Maurice Leakey
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posted April 17, 2017 05:10 AM

Was the 16mm print new? I doubt it.
My Super 8 print was.

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David Hardy
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From: Johnshaven Village , Montrose, Scotland
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posted April 17, 2017 05:22 AM

I take your point Maurice regarding new vs old.
I too have paid such sums in the past for new prints I still have
in my collection.

However give me an as new condition 16mm print over Super 8mm print any time.
I have both 16mm and Super 8mm prints of the same features in my collection.
Some of my Super 8mm features are Derann releases and to be perfectly frank I find the Super 8mm prints a bit soft in focus and lacking definition when compared with the 16mm print.

For example THE SMALLEST SHOW AND EARTH and WHISKY GALORE.
My 16mm copies blow the Derann Super 8mm prints into the weeds
when it comes to picture quality and printed steadiness.
[Wink]

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Maurice Leakey
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posted April 17, 2017 06:43 AM

Agreed.
I have used 16mm professionally in the fifties with a circuit of village halls in Somerset. And latterly, when my Classic cinema experimented with 16mm using an Eiki xenon with 6000ft spools.
My 16mm collection has many more titles than my films on Super 8, Bill Davidson coined the expression "The Bootlace Gauge" many years ago and I always think of that when handling 8mm.

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David Hardy
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posted April 17, 2017 07:38 AM

Maurice I too have ran quite a number of 16mm prints professionally in Cinemas to packed houses.

I have operated Fumeo pedestal mounted with Xenon and 6000 foot spools.
Also standard 2200 foot Elf 16mm projectors.

I have ran shows for the late Ron Miller of 'Movieman' and 'Donald Of The Colours' fame.
Also some shows for the then Grampian Television before they
got merged into the Scottish Television station.

Most memorable though was working alongside Janet McBain of the
Scottish Film Archive.
That was fun because not only did I have to run 16mm and 35mm films at sound and silent speeds but had to interchange some with
stuff on Video via a Sony three gun tube Video projector.
What a day that was. Hard work but fun all the same. [Smile]

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David Ollerearnshaw
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posted April 17, 2017 07:58 AM

Gold is not that expensive I only paid £35 for mine.

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