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Topic: A Little Support for CHC and Derann
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Gary Crawford
Jedi Master Film Handler
Posts: 979
From: Manassas, VA. USA
Registered: Jun 2003
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posted July 31, 2009 08:06 AM
On the point about not being asked by dealers what we want. The fact is that over and over on the forum...in the pages of newsletters in GB and in the pages of Reel Images in the U.S......Phil and Gary ..representing the major dealers, have REPEATLY asked....and many times begged for input on what they should release. Phil, particularly has expressed disappointment in the lack or replies to his requests. On this site, not too long ago, there was a long thread asking us what we'd like to see...what we'd actually buy.... Many of the responses were for films...which were already in release, but the writers didn't know it.
Also...several times on this forum and in other venues, dealers have told about items which customers supposedly wanted badly...and so they invested in seeking out printing materials, making negs, and soundtracks...etc... and then when it came time to put up the money, the customers balked, leaving dealers holding the bag...or the reels, in this case.
It's very easy to justify not putting our money oni the line by criticizing the dealers unfairly by saying they don't ask for input. They have repeatedly asked. Many collectors have responded.... and sometimes dealers have been able to release requested items...but we have no right to criticize these dealers when we are not willing to buy the requested items when they ARE available. The things in the Derann and Classic catalog right now are so wonderful.....just buying a new print from their EXTENSIVE and varied catalog...even a trailer reel or cartoon,...would help everyone. All the used prints we buy, sell and trade were once bought new....but eventually the used market will dry up if we don't help the dealers sell their new items. One , maybe both, of the dealers are offering collectors a chance to buy great features reel by reel. You can't get much better deal than that. I'll get off my soapbox now. Hope I didn't rile anyone too much.
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Osi Osgood
Film God
Posts: 10204
From: Mountian Home, ID.
Registered: Jul 2005
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posted July 31, 2009 11:04 AM
Gary made good points and I remember that extensive series of posts, but I also remember a lot of unrealistic desires, (perhaps I had a few, to be honest).
I don't envy what these existing dealers have to go through in order to release a film. I'm at work still working on getting that commercial reel released, and the cost makes it quite prohibitive.
But think about this. First, there's the request to have something released. Now begins the search for pre-print material, and as to whether they will have to take extra steps if a good negative can be found.
... and I said a GOOD negative. Collectors tend to be fussy and quite frankly, are not, as a general rule, going to buy a print that has terrible condition problems.
But wait a minute, what if those who may own a copyright on said material, do not wish to have they're film released without a stiff fee to be paid to them, whether one print or one hundred prints are made? That cost may be so high that it makes it absolutely impossible to release the film on Super 8.
The very fact that we have ANY new releases coming out here and there is a miracle in itself!
On the other hand, the dealer/ distributor needs to really be tapped into the super 8 market and cannot look back and make prints based on what worked years ago. Though I've mentioned it a number of times, the 600ft "End of Days" release was a mis-step. Derann went on the assumption that since "Arnold" films sold well in the past, this one would too.
Personally, I think Derann would do good to look through the catalogs of available negs for classic 80's sci-fi fantasy. A good choice, for instance would be a 600ft of "Dragonslayer", which would condense incredibly well into one 600ft reel, and I bet that it would be a BIG SELLER in scope on Super 8. (You great lads at Derann listening?) A feature would sell, but not quite as well.
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"All these moments will be lost in time, just like ... tears, in the rain. "
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Winbert Hutahaean
Film God
Posts: 5468
From: Nouméa, New Caledonia
Registered: Jun 2003
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posted July 31, 2009 09:56 PM
Mark you are a good friend to keep this hobby alive. You are willing to get busy for the sake of 8mm, although you didn't make a profit out of that.
But Jeroen (and also Mark), keep in your mind that when JEroen send you money, there will be a deduction from paypal. For example, last week I received £175,00 payment which paypal take fee £7,03 and I ended to received only £167,97.
So when you are doing this don't forget to add some money from the total amount desired.
Plus another thing too, here, at least in Canada, when you are going to cash that money from our bank account below some amount, there will be 3.5% fee. (I thing that if we withdraw below $150).
Take that into your account. But great you are really helpful Mark.
cheers,
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Winbert
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