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Adrian Winchester
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 - posted June 03, 2011 09:56 PM      Profile for Adrian Winchester     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Winbert - according to Doug, it was a suggestion and not a rule. Clearly, it's impossible to please everyone here, but I think it's a reasonable compromise to urge sellers to list prices, without forcing them to do so. I think some of the negativity to offers might understandably stem from a sense that a seller is trying to squeeze out the maximum amount from buyers, but as Mark has implied, it can also be a situation where someone wants everything to go, and is willing to sell prints at below their market value in order to maximise the chance of this happening. With a list like the one here, Forum members could potentially end up with highly desirable titles for bargain prices, so I'd say we would be cutting off our noses to spite our faces if the sale was not allowed. A firm rule on this would not result in any prices appearing, it would simply mean that the films are offered elsewhere.

Wayne - I wouldn't remind people of your offer, someone could easily decide to offer $21 for each film!

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Winbert Hutahaean
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 - posted June 03, 2011 10:07 PM      Profile for Winbert Hutahaean     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
If the hidden price is meant for anyone here to bid openly via replying the post, then I would say OK.

Therefore I will make my bid for $22.87 for each title above. Anyone will bid more? [Big Grin]

going once, going twice....??

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Douglas Meltzer
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Winbert makes a good point in jest. This is not an auction site. Please email your offers to Ian and do not post them here (not a suggestion).

Doug

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Jeroen van Ooijen
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 - posted June 04, 2011 03:33 AM      Profile for Jeroen van Ooijen   Email Jeroen van Ooijen   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
130,00 for the sound of music????is this with original artwork and from DerAnn? [Smile]

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Lee Mannering
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 - posted June 04, 2011 04:35 AM      Profile for Lee Mannering     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Ian.
Thank you for taking the time to post the list on here and it was very kind of you to consider the members. Many thanks.

Can I just pop in my two bobs worth on the subject of listing prices. Having helped dispose of deceased collectors collections it is impossible to spend a week or so running each feature to gauge condition prior to pricing. Disposing of large film collections it has been easier on my projector and time to list the films and see if anyone is interested, then take the time to make sure the film is OK rather than running hours of films some of which no one will want. If someone then expresses an interest in a title we can schedule in the time to check them out and advise one the condition we believe they are in. Having disposed of long films in this way for others, along with some of my own films not run for years this system has worked extremely well and certainly more thorough perhaps. It’s certainly not a case prices are just not listed but one of practicality, time and wear & tear on cine projection equipment when helping families dispose of loved ones often large collections.

This last 12 months we have seen many UK collectors of old pass over to the projection box elsewhere and I could name quite a few from just around my area for instance. But it is good to be able to report that items have found new loving owners and the list them, check them and price seems to have worked well for everyone I have dealt with. As has already been said, this is not an auction room but it is a good direct way to pass items to those who will love them through the sell section.

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peter booth
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Ian,
Sent you an email through my own email,the Forum email would'nt go through.
Peter.

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Ralf Hoff
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 - posted June 04, 2011 02:05 PM      Profile for Ralf Hoff   Email Ralf Hoff   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
@Ian

I have a question about this titels.
In the derann list the following films are listed as follow:

7TH VOYAGE OF SINBAD 5 x 400ft

FORBIDDEN PLANET 6 x 400ft

ALIENS 5 x 600ft

In your list from the customer they have different reels/ft:

"THE 7th VOYAGE OF SINBAD" 4X400ft

"FORBIDDEN PLANET" 5X400ft

"ALIENS" STEREO 5X400ft

So are this films complete or are some reels missing, are they respooled????? Is it a clerical error???

Hope you or your customer can answer this question, I think it will be important for any collector because it has influence to the offers.

Ralf

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Laksmi Breathwaite
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Winbert I have an Idea that everyone will like just post the total bid and see who will bid more then close out the film sale after the finale person offers. Then everyone will know what they need to offer for their favorite title. It seams very unfair that if I wanted "FORBIDDEN PLANET" 5X400ft. But I can not offer over the finale offer that is the highest or something. On eBay you can see what your offering and others so you can match it. You should do eBay but that is my advise after buying for years films there. Then you have people who snipe at the last minutes that get it at their prices. If you like I can sell them on eBay for you but I need pictures and discriptions. My eBay ID is godesslaksmi I have a store called godessmodel builder film memorabil . I'm a power seller and top rated. I sell super 8 films sometimes, models,paintings,comics,action figures, and press kits plus movie memorabilia. I would help you if you like and all the forum members would be happy and not mad at you . I accept Paypal.

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Douglas Meltzer
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John,

Sorry, no bids are to be posted on the Forum. It's up to the sellers if they want to send emails for prospective counter offers.

Doug

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Ian O'Reilly
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Please be aware that the owner of these films reserves the right to decide what he thinks is a fair price for each title.
What he means is that he will not give them away at silly prices.
His words not mine!

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Winbert Hutahaean
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 - posted June 06, 2011 09:43 AM      Profile for Winbert Hutahaean     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Ian, this means your first post saying:

quote:
they
should make an offer, highest offer gets the film (obviously).

is no longer applicable:

Basically, now the situation is more like "what is the value of my films to you..... and let me think"

... like Mike also has pointed out many time, this just totally waste my time.

I buy a car because the price is mentioned

I buy a house because the price is stated

I buy a pencil because there is price tag


...even in flea markets they also have price tags.....

I hate when in a flea market, a seller is trying to be fool by saying "what do you think is the value of this Zapruder's film" and when I say calmly "$2?" he madly replied "Are you crazy?"

No ...on contrary the seller is crazy because he does not know the value of Zapruder's film and instead asking the buyer to value his item.

Ian, I am not saying you are crazy but the owner of your film is crazy because he is a collector but does not know their prices.

Why not stating his basic (minimum) price here and anyone willing to pay more than that price will obviously get it.

Lakshmi....Ian is also a reputable Ebay seller in UK website. So ther is no point to offer your Ebay ID to him.

Lastly, Ian...you haven't replied to what Ralf found that some titles have number of reels that look odd.

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Ian O'Reilly
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Winbert, "Highest offer gets the film" that was said in good faith, what I did not reckon on is that I would get offers for 20$ each title including postage to the USA.
Come on now the owner wants to sell these films for a fair price not give away his collection for a ridiculous amount.

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Mark L Barton
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Film collecting is a hobby, prices are based on what someone wants and what someone will pay, I see no problem in a seller asking for highest bids, it no different than how many large companies dispose of assets, via sealed bids etc.

I left the Lambretta scooter scene because the hobby became too anal, with everyone fretting about prices, condition, originality of things down to , 'is it a genuine Innocenti nut and bolt?' for gawds sake!

As I said film collecting is a hobby with no dictates, so if anyone wants offers on their films, offers it is, ifthey want to sell on Ebay, so be it. If you don't like the idea of 'offers' then don't offer and buy the way you like, but don't stop others.

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Lee Mannering
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Ian. Sent you my offer but not heard owt. Might there be a time to wait? Confused dot com as per usual..

Hi Mark. Interested to hear you left the Lammy scene. Still got my Vespa and loving it, plus working on a screen for it,projector on rear seat and stereo speakers on mirrors for outdoor night camping rallys which should raise a smile.
Happy days!
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Ralf Hoff
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Lee,

I have placed my offer also to Ian and have no feedback.

quote:
Ian wrote:
Let me just say any offers I receive for films I will check condition and e-mail the bidder to report condition.

I' m still waiting for an answer. And also waiting for a statement about my question about the different reels. [Confused]

Ralf

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Winbert Hutahaean
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quote:
If you don't like the idea of 'offers' then don't offer and buy the way you like, but don't stop others. .
WHAT?? cannot we have a code of conduct in a society (that includes a society in forum)??

Why people don't offer their super 8mm Swedish An*l sex films here?...because the code of conduct says not to do so...

Do you want to say "If you don't like the idea of selling the Swedish item then don't offer and buy films you like, but don't stop others. "

C'mon Mark..we are trying to set up a new code of conduct here...

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Michael O'Regan
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Winbert,

You'e wasting your time.

There are some, including management here disappointingly, who obviously refuse to see the point.

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Osi Osgood
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Folks ...

I'm not the conscience of the world, but I only add ...

tread lightly folks ...

some of the comments on this series of posts have been close to personal and slightly abusive.

Tread lightly. It's only a film list and nobodys integrity or motives should be questioned like this, including the "management", as recently stated.

Hey, I'm all into freedom of speech, but this forum has always done it's best to avoid getting personal or getting into what could become so.

lets not start now. I understand the "issues" involved, and get it ...

but it's only a film list ...

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Michael O'Regan
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quote:
some of the comments on this series of posts have been close to personal and slightly abusive
Where's that, Osi??

I've made it known to Doug privately that I don't agree with the way the pricing thing is being done. However, he's the boss 'round here.

I've also personally apologised to Ian.

I have not once gotten personal or anything even resembling "abusive".

So, what exactly are you talking about?

Whose integrity or motives have been questioned?

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Osi Osgood
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I also apologized for the situation as well (to Ian) ...

For instance, Ian had stated that "high bid gets the film" and his first statement was called into question, nearly intimating "what you said was untrue Ian", when the argument against what Ian first stated was merely coming down to "semantics" ... as I highly doubt anybody would truly think that a film print would go for 10 or 20 dollars.

As you would also vouch for Micheal, I'm sure that Ian would never state that, no matter how low the highest bid is, the film would have to sell for that lowest bid. For a person to say, (without saying in so many words) that "You broke your word" in that first post, is very close to saying ...

"Liar Liar, pants on fire."

(Well, I have to interject a little humor)

... I know that if I was the person who put up that first post, and would have witnessed what should have been a great oppor-tunity to get ahold of great prints, and seen what it has become, I would feel embarrassed and would certianly think twice about potentially being badgered in the future if I was to post additional films.

Bear in mind, only my own opinion ...

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Michael O'Regan
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OK, Osi. I have no wish to row with ya.

The whole thing doesn't need to be an issue if prices are posted with sales.

Not one person, moderator included, has given a valid reason for why prices should not be posted, other than that some people don't want to.

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Winbert Hutahaean
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Osi, Mike you two also waste your time... [Big Grin]

Now, can we just see the "listing with price" as a code of conduct. Meaning you are advised/encouraged to price your films, but whoever does the opposite is full of shame.

Same thing with super 8mm Swedish An*l Sex films, there is no a strict/written rule not to list them here...but I believe no one is going to test the water now... [Cool]

my 2 cents

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Michael O'Regan
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Yep, a CODE OF CONDUCT is actually a good way of putting it.

There are a lot of rip-off merchants in the hobby, and having such a code here would show us to be above all of that.

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Colin Robert Hunt
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I'm with Mike. I would not be interested in buying from here or any stall or dealer at a convention etc. without the blinking prices. You can argue the case but all this hot air does not give the prices of whats on offer. Simples just to put the prices on end of story. then we can go foreward. At least on this forum we can adopt some standard of sale. Ian I'm sorry that you have got involved with this but try your lists nextt time without the price and see who's interested in buying.

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Michael O'Regan
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Actually, Colin has an excellent point.

How would everybody feel if the main dealers such as Ian, Derann, Independent 8, Paul Foster, CHC, etc. removed prices from their lists and websites?

Wouldn't everybody be pissed off??

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