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Damien Taylor
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posted November 02, 2009 05:19 PM

The range of TV stuff can be very, very good on 16, as it was the original distribution format.

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Oemer Yalinkilic
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posted November 03, 2009 01:58 AM

I have few Twilight Zone Episodes on 35mm, that is much better than 16mm prints, and this was used for TV too.

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Michael O'Regan
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posted November 03, 2009 02:28 AM

Great titles on 16mm over 1000, Osi?? I can't agree with that but, it would depend on what you call a "great title" I guess.

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Jean-Marc Toussaint
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posted November 03, 2009 03:33 AM

I've seen good condition Lucasfilm material (SW, IJ) go up to 2400 euros. That sum was for a pristine print of Empire. Paul Foster sold a print of SW on Ebay for 1500 euros on Ebay a couple of years ago.

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Gian Luca Mario Loncrini
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posted November 03, 2009 03:44 AM

Well, as for super 8 I think it depends on titles/their rarity (limited number of prints?) and on their condition...

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Michael O'Regan
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posted November 03, 2009 03:49 AM

Like I said, Jean-Marc, it depends on what you call a "great title"!!
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David Kilderry
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posted November 03, 2009 04:11 AM

Don't limit your formats or sell off those of your former format, you may well regret it.

I bought titles I was after on 9.5mm for several years until I finally got a projector to run them on.

When I swung to 16mm, I did leave my Super 8 for a while and even sold some, but I am glad I kept most of it. That was back in 1984!

David

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Gian Luca Mario Loncrini
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posted November 03, 2009 04:21 AM

Well, about me... I'm not leaving super 8 at all and not selling A SINGLE print I own (considering how hard and expensive was to create my collection).

My idea is to add 16mm prints to 8 ones. I suppose a lot of members here already do it, am I right?

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Fabrizio Mosca
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posted November 03, 2009 06:45 AM

Gian, pay attention that with 16mm you're not able to dub them, unless you find someone that may put magnetic stripe on it and then dubs it. Then you don't have stereo sound (in Italy only some films printed by SanPaoloFilms were in stereo, but projectors are really rare).
Furthermore, it's true you have more choice on 16mm prints, but they have worked into projectors much more than super8 prints and the risk of splices, lines and perforation damage is very high. Even last batch of italian 16mm prints from SanPaoloFilm have problem with green lines/dots troughout the print because they started to run into projectors even if prints weren't completely dry.
It's true you have a better definition, but if you're in Derann/CHC prints and expect a better quality from a 16mm, then you may be disapponted for at least 80% of films you may find.

I don't know if other collectors agree with my point of view, but collecting 16mm puts you in a different behaviour than collecting super8 or 35mm, you simply have different standards and evaluate prints in a different way.

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Michael O'Regan
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posted November 03, 2009 06:56 AM

I absolutely agree with Fabrizio.

It's a different ball game. 16mm prints have been used differently than Super 8 have.

They are evaluated differently. There are tons of poor dupes out there, but there are also some beautiful originals that do not cost the earth.

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Gian Luca Mario Loncrini
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posted November 03, 2009 08:02 AM

Thanks you guys. Thanks Fabrizio.
I know more or less all limits of 16mm prints/machines (expecially if I think about what was printed and distributed here in Italy) if compared to top quality 8mm copies and projectors.

I'm anyway considering movies in original language too, in case. I know in USA there are still excellent (and sometimes recent) titles available. But, once more, I really do like to read about your opinions. They're very helpful.

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Fabrizio Mosca
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posted November 03, 2009 09:01 AM

Gian, maybe the best thing is having a look at ebay, paul foster, etc. and write down what you're looking in 16mm, considering also the general condition of the copy. Then you may decide if going on in 16mm collecting.

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Gian Luca Mario Loncrini
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posted November 03, 2009 09:32 AM

Thanks for your suggestion, Fabrizio.
Ciao.

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