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Topic: From 8 to 16
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Gian Luca Mario Loncrini
Phenomenal Film Handler
Posts: 1948
From: Verona (Italy)
Registered: Jan 2009
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posted November 01, 2009 06:15 PM
Winbert, Steven
thanks a lot for your posts.
Winbert, a friend of mine is a real magician in building box with nice artworks. This won't be a real problem. I know what you mean, anyway. All my 8mm movies are actually stored in boxes, from tiny 200feet clamshells for trailers to huge box for full features, sometimes mounted on 1200ft reels. I hope,in case, he will be in a position to make me good boxes for the new arrivals in bigger format.
Steven, thanks for all info. I still don't know if the one I will buy is black. I will ask to the guy who will probably sell the CL about the belt you are referring to. And if you guys have all additional info or a couple of pictures to post, I would be very happy ![[Razz]](tongue.gif) .
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I remember when I was (super) 8 years old...
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Oemer Yalinkilic
Jedi Master Film Handler
Posts: 547
From: Berlin, Germany
Registered: Jul 2003
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posted November 02, 2009 06:37 AM
Hi Gian,
this is the way who go every S8 collector one day, maybe Iīm the only one, who go a step back and start again to collect Super8.
I sold my Elmo 16CL Xenon to Kevin, he can confirm that this is realy one of the best machines for 16mm. I like a little bit more a Bauer Selecton but the Xenon Machines of them are a little bit bulky.
But I think you go a better way if you use Super 8 and 35mm.
They are also many nice portable 35mm machines.
I can say 16mm is only a compromise, if a feature is very important for you and you need the best quality, you must have it on 35mm otherwise is Super 8 much better to handle and you can watch a movie in Stereo with italian sound.
The difference between a very good Super 8 print and 16mm is not to much. You can belive me because I had in the past many of the same movies on Super 8 later on 16mm and now on 35mm.
I want make next Time a experiment, I want borrow from a friend the Derann print of Horror of Dracula, I have already a 16mm and a 35mm Technicolor print of them. I want screen all 3 prints together to see how different are the quality.
I want use for this Test a Elmo GS 1200 and a Elmo 16CL (not Xenon) and my 35mm machine Philips FP3.
The only think I miss is the Xenon light but you have now a GS 1200 Xenon, I think you donīt need 16mm.
Best regards
Oemer
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Gian Luca Mario Loncrini
Phenomenal Film Handler
Posts: 1948
From: Verona (Italy)
Registered: Jan 2009
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posted November 02, 2009 08:09 AM
Oemer, Damian, Brad, Michael and David-
Thanks for all info and for all your interesting posts. I have to say that I'm not moving to 16 because I dream about a 'better definition of images' while screening. No no, nothing to do with this.
After 30 years I've been spending by collecting 8mm machines and movies I just would like to try the 16mm experience.
Oemer, I know I have just bought a very good 8mm projector (I'm referring to Ugo's Xenon) but the point is that I'd like to have titles that are not available on 8mm and, for several reasons, it seems it could be easier to find on 16.
So, Damien's statement is simple and clear. And it is probably what I will do. Collecting both formats.
Oemer, it would be great to collect 35mm and to have a portable projector. The main problem, my dear friend, is room.
It's already hard to store all my super 8. It would be the beginning of an extra problem to store 16mm machines and prints, when and if coming. But I know myself: I will keep going on in buying and buying and buying. And 35mm prints would be IMPOSSIBLE to store at home. That's why I'm quite sure I will have soon my first 16mm machine. And I'll stop there.
I like to read about Jean-Marc, for example, when he writes about his wonderful 35mm prints. But I think he has enough room, somewhere in Paris, to store all movies. And to screen them.
I personally don't. That's why I would consider this 'new experience' exactly the way I'm talking about it: NEW EXPERIENCE (and probably new titles to add to my super 8 collection). And if I won't like it? Well, I could sell everything!
I like your points of view, anyway. Just write them down!
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Oemer Yalinkilic
Jedi Master Film Handler
Posts: 547
From: Berlin, Germany
Registered: Jul 2003
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posted November 02, 2009 08:27 AM
Every collector have different requirements for his favorite genre and of his projection room.
The bigest problem is to find the right equipment for home use in 35mm but if you have it, than is 16mm no more necesery.
Yes of course, if you are looking for a special title, so you must take what you can get.
Itīs realy hard to find silent features on 35mm safety stock.
As I decide to sell my Elmo 16CL Xenon I watched a scope print of Armagedon, it was very nice after that I watched a LPP 16mm print of Return of the Jedi and I thought my old Super 8 print was not more bad than this 16mm print.
I noticed for my self, Iīm unhappy with every Cinemascope print on Super 8 and also on 16mm, this must be only 35mm.
16mm black and white original prints are on 16mm good enough and the image is sharp like a 35mm print also Technicolor british IB prints.
If you like Disneys like Pochachontas and The Beauty and the Beast, is a Super 8 the first choice becaouse you have a Stereo sound.
What I mean is, if you looking for the perfect print, is 16mm only a compromise and not the solution.
I started to collect film with Super 8 than 16mm and finaly 35mm but I owen prints in every gauges.
Some S8 prints are enough for me and I have some 16mm prints I keep them until I find a 35mm print of this title.
Gian: I have also space problems, and as I get my first 35mm projector, I thought I want never collect 35mm.
But 35mm is also in a smal room possible, you need only the right equipment.
For Super 8 is GS1200 Xenon great and if you own a Elmo 16CL Xenon, it is perfect for 16mm.
If you want 35mm, you need a machine like my Philips FP3, this is noisy like a 16mm machine, you can splice a feature on 2 reels like the Elmos I use for the other gauges.
I will make some pics, how I store my 35mm equipment.
See you later
Oemer
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Osi Osgood
Film God
Posts: 10204
From: Mountian Home, ID.
Registered: Jul 2005
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posted November 02, 2009 04:39 PM
I'll admit that there is more of a variety on super 8, (especially when it comes to old TV shows), but I have little enough room for Super 8 as it is, so 16Mm is out of the question ...
That, and the great titles on 16MM can be way over 1,000.00, way above my game!
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