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Winbert Hutahaean
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- posted February 28, 2011 04:00 PM      Profile for Winbert Hutahaean     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Following the thread made by Gerard Santana, it comes to my mind to ask you what is your idea for non-film collectors who is recycling films they bought from other Ebayers.

The strategy of those sellers in recycling films is as follows:

1. Buying films at mis-categorized items (such as, Entertainment, Collectible, Vintage, etc)

2. Buying movie in bulk and re-sell separately.

3. Un-splice mixed films from bigger reels to individual smaller reels.

4. Buying from people who don't know what item he/she was selling.

5. Cover/art works make up (using color printing) but don't care with the film inside.

6. Writing a very long description but nothing about the film it self (or a common statement "don't have a projector", "no refund")

7. Putting picture from somewhere else to mislead about the film condition.

From very old posts that I remember that many said this Modus Operandi (MO) had increased the price of 8mm on the hand of real collector.

In 2011, I want to ask you now, what do you think?

cheers,

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Dan Lail
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- posted February 28, 2011 04:22 PM      Profile for Dan Lail   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I say you should know what you're buying and how much it is worth to you to purchase it. Also learn which sellers to trust and which not to trust. It a free market those without good ethics usually are found out and ignored. Super 8 film is a collectible from the past and is found in varying states of condition, so if someone buys a used product cheap and refurbishes it, more power them.

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Michael O'Regan
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- posted February 28, 2011 04:55 PM      Profile for Michael O'Regan   Email Michael O'Regan   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Well, I've done steps 1-4 above in the past and can see no problem with it.

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Dan Lail
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- posted February 28, 2011 08:22 PM      Profile for Dan Lail   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I'm working on step 8 with a slight variation between 2 and 3. BTW, is that bird dead? [Razz]

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Tanya Owens
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- posted February 28, 2011 09:26 PM      Profile for Tanya Owens   Email Tanya Owens   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I agree with Dan - you have to know what you are buying and what it is worth. If someone wants to pay me more for an item than I think it should sell for, that doesn't make me a bad person....makes me lucky on that item.

On the same note - those people are doing a lot of work in "adjusting" the products, listing them, and sending them out again. I can't imagine they are making a HUGE profit on everything. With the fees now that eBay charges, the cost of accepting paypal, and the post office charges - you need to be careful what you are selling so you are not loosing $$.

We use to sell a lot on eBay many years ago. I don't miss going to the post office and taking an hour! LOL!!

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Wayne Tuell
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- posted February 28, 2011 10:11 PM      Profile for Wayne Tuell   Author's Homepage   Email Wayne Tuell   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
1-2-4, IMHO there is nothing wrong with taking a chance if someone wants to unload cheap and someone is willing to take the chance.

5-6-7, not good practice and should be avoided or avoid the sellers who operate under such falsehoods.

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Paul Spinks
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- posted March 01, 2011 07:40 AM      Profile for Paul Spinks   Email Paul Spinks   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Items 1,2,3 and 4 is ok and is what most dealers do. As long as the film is honestly described in the listing I don't think that there is a problem. A few collectors re-print the box art (plain white boxes suit me fine) but that is ok, as long as the listing states that it is a re-print in the listing and doesn't state or imply that the boxes are original.

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Joe McAllister
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- posted March 01, 2011 07:54 AM      Profile for Joe McAllister   Email Joe McAllister   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I am assume that people who have no way of viewing a film I.E. the no projector line, but who then overprice their item are not to be trusted and I don't trade with them.
I expect the description to give me all the basic info about the film , much of which is obtainable without projecting, box condition, reel size, mag stripe, title, colour,splices,etc.
I have no problem with people reselling stuff they have bought cheap somehow as long as I get something I want in good condition at a reasonable price. The last is almost impossible via eBay if you factor in postage unless you get a bargain, for instance collectors club silent 200's cost more than they are worth to post.

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Michael O'Regan
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- posted March 01, 2011 08:25 AM      Profile for Michael O'Regan   Email Michael O'Regan   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote:
From very old posts that I remember that many said this Modus Operandi (MO) had increased the price of 8mm on the hand of real collector
You don't think that the "real collector" buys and resells from Ebay??
I am a collector and if I saw a bargain to be had on ebay which I could then resell at a profit, I would have no qualms whatsoever about doing so. I've done it before and I see nothing wrong in it, as long as I don't lie or mislead in any way when I'm selling the item.

In fact, a couple of years ago I came across a collection on ebay which I bought fairly cheaply and sold off individually at quite a profit. When the seller saw that I was selling the films off he contacted me to accuse me of profiteering. Well, what business of his was it that I was selling the prints? He'd sold them in bulk because he didn't want to take the time to sell them individually and that was the end of his business with those prints, as far as I was concerned.

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Winbert Hutahaean
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- posted March 01, 2011 08:40 AM      Profile for Winbert Hutahaean     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote:
You don't think that the "real collector" buys and resells from Ebay??
Of course I knew it Mike. That's why at the beginning of this post I underlined this words:

quote:
what is your idea for non-film collectors who is recycling films they bought from other Ebayers.


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Barry Fritz
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- posted March 01, 2011 08:42 AM      Profile for Barry Fritz   Email Barry Fritz   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Caveat Emptor! Read feedback, ask questions. If fraud or deception is involved, make a claim with Ebay/Paypal. If you are not comfortable buying something without seeing it in person or trying it out, don't buy online.

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Michael O'Regan
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- posted March 01, 2011 08:43 AM      Profile for Michael O'Regan   Email Michael O'Regan   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Ah, I should read more closely.

Sorry, Winbert.

However, my comments still stand.

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Winbert Hutahaean
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- posted March 01, 2011 08:54 AM      Profile for Winbert Hutahaean     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote:
However, my comments still stand.
Mike, same thing with me. When Gerard raises his concern I already at the first write my own position on this MO:

quote:
I doubt they are collectors. What they do is something most of us here hate it (although I personally would say it is legal and OK), i.e buying films from Ebay and re-sell it through Ebay.


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Michael O'Regan
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- posted March 01, 2011 11:04 AM      Profile for Michael O'Regan   Email Michael O'Regan   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I suppose, reflecting on your original question, Winbert, the idea of non-collectors buying and selling prints on ebay doesn't bother me personally.
If I'm not satisfied by the description and/or answers to any questions I may ask the seller, I don't buy.

For new collectors, however, it can be a huge problem as they're not really clued in yet on what to look for or ask about. They also have little idea of the value of different titles, stocks, conditions, etc.

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Winbert Hutahaean
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- posted March 01, 2011 04:10 PM      Profile for Winbert Hutahaean     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
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For new collectors, however, it can be a huge problem as they're not really clued in yet on what to look for or ask about. They also have little idea of the value of different titles, stocks, conditions, etc.
Yes that is quite right Mike. I have made an additional comment on Gerard's thread to show what is the good quality print of Ken's Star Wars for long collectors in comparing with his Star Wars purchased as a new collector.

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Adrian Winchester
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I could be wrong but I doubt if there are many people with no interest in film collecting, or means of showing films, actually seeking to do this on a regular basis. It would strike me as an odd area to think would be a good way of making money as it takes fairly specialised knowledge to distinguish films with greater value from ones with little value. I'd suspect that in most cases the non-collectors have obtained the films as (e.g.) part of a house clearance. I wouldn't say it's fundamentally unethical to sell films without being in a position to thoroughly describe them, as long as the seller makes this clear and ideally offers a refund if appropriate. But on the other hand, if it's clear that the buyer is taking a chance and no returns are accepted, a buyer could get a real bargain.

I don't see why any sellers of the type described would be pushing up the price for genuine collectors, especially as many collectors will be avoiding their sales!

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Michael O'Regan
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- posted March 01, 2011 05:07 PM      Profile for Michael O'Regan   Email Michael O'Regan   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
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I don't see why any sellers of the type described would be pushing up the price for genuine collectors, especially as many collectors will be avoiding their sales!
No, I don't see this either.

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