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Douglas Warren
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From: West Chester, OH, USA
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- posted October 11, 2014 11:18 AM      Profile for Douglas Warren     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi all,
I was wondering what models (or makes) of Super 8 / Dual 8 projectors one should best avoid.With so many different types on site like eBay,the choices can be overwhelming.
Douglas

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Janice Glesser
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- posted October 11, 2014 11:53 AM      Profile for Janice Glesser     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
It's better to narrow your selection by determining your needs. What type of films will you be running? Home movies? Commercial movies? Silent or Sound? Do you want to do telecine transfers to DVD? What size of a screen or viewing area do you want? How much is your budget?

With a little more information, we can make some recommendations.

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Osi Osgood
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- posted October 11, 2014 01:14 PM      Profile for Osi Osgood   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Sears projectors ... AVOID!!

I think that it was a "soundstar" but I'm not quite sure. Terrible film eating, film scratching monster!

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Timothy Duncan
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- posted October 11, 2014 05:14 PM      Profile for Timothy Duncan   Email Timothy Duncan   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Janice can probably build one for you! (Sorry Janice, I couldn't resist!)

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Steve Klare
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- posted October 11, 2014 05:49 PM      Profile for Steve Klare   Email Steve Klare   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Some of the later Kodaks were actually pretty decent when they came out of the factory, but this many years down the road their plastic gearing is getting old and embrittled and they won't go too far before they break.

This goes double for their movie cameras!

Probably when a lot of this stuff was designed they had no idea people would still be using it 30, 40, 50 years and more later. The end of new equipment when VHS appeared took care of that.

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Joe Vannicola
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- posted October 11, 2014 10:44 PM      Profile for Joe Vannicola   Email Joe Vannicola   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
When I collected Super 8, I supposedly upgraded from a Crestline projector that was a basic, but good running machine to a used Sears projector that had a lot of features. Osi is on the money,it was a film eating monster and I unloaded it as soon as I could. Oh well, live and learn.

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Paul Adsett
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- posted October 11, 2014 11:24 PM      Profile for Paul Adsett     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Were'nt all the Sears projectors built by Bell & Howell?

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Janice Glesser
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- posted October 11, 2014 11:43 PM      Profile for Janice Glesser     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
LOL Timothy [Big Grin] [Wink] [Smile]

I wouldn't make a blanket statement that Sears projectors are bad. Sears had projectors made by GAF...Keystone....Chinon, and Bell & Howell. Some models were better than others. The Sears Du-All Eight is made by Bell & Howell and is actually a very good projector. I haven't noticed it eating film or scratching either.

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Jon Addams
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- posted October 11, 2014 11:48 PM      Profile for Jon Addams     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote:
"Weren't all the Sears projectors built by Bell & Howell?"{
Paul,

Most were made by Bell & Howell. However, Sears marketed, under the Sears brand, projectors made by GAF, Argus and Chinon.

One thing is certain, Sears never made a projector! [Big Grin]

Jon

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Douglas Warren
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- posted October 12, 2014 01:02 AM      Profile for Douglas Warren     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Janice,
Currently I'm looking to run home movies,with some digests as well,all silent.Dual 8 if possible on the projectors.My first good projector was a dual 8 Bell & Howell back in 1978.The model number escapes me but it ran really well with no issues.Thanks again everyone for the helpful feedback.
Douglas

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Janice Glesser
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- posted October 12, 2014 05:12 AM      Profile for Janice Glesser     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Based on the needs you listed ... I can give you a few recommendations . My top choice would be a Sankyo 2000H. This is a sturdy dual 8 silent projector with variable speed and it has a very good lens and uses a low-cost halogen bulb. Here's a video I put together showing the features of this projector.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wc9JFjoxkLo

My second choice would be a Chinon 2500GL, a Keystone 2500, a Bell & Howell 10MS, or a Chinon Whisper 727. These projectors operate basically the same internally. They are also dual gauge machines, but lighter weight in construction than the Sankyo 2000H... but if in good condition will do what you need.
These all use a more expensive CXR lamp. Here are a couple more videos on two of these machines I've had.

Keystone 2500
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjSo892DKms

Bell & Howell 10MS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVT6K5hsZC4

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Paul Adsett
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- posted October 12, 2014 12:10 PM      Profile for Paul Adsett     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote:
One thing is certain, Sears never made a projector!
What no Kenmore projector! [Big Grin]

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Jon Addams
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- posted October 12, 2014 01:27 PM      Profile for Jon Addams     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote:
"What no Kenmore projector!" [Big Grin]
Give them a little more time. [Wink] [Wink] [Wink]

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Pasquale DAlessio
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- posted October 12, 2014 04:02 PM      Profile for Pasquale DAlessio     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Sears actually did make a Kenmore projector. It made it's own ice cubes! [Eek!]

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Steve Klare
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- posted October 12, 2014 04:21 PM      Profile for Steve Klare   Email Steve Klare   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I'd prefer it be Craftsman!

Actually, when I was about seven years old, I was very taken with Sears Best Home Movie Outfit in the Wish Book.

-camera, projector, editor and a cartridge of film, all for $199.95

I believe I got Hot Wheels that Christmas.

Not that I'm complaining, I've made up for it since then.

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Clinton Hunt
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- posted October 18, 2014 08:06 PM      Profile for Clinton Hunt   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Janice............your youtube videos are really good, I don't own those projectors but I watched all 3 [Smile]

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