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Jason Schmidt
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From: Saskatoon, SK, Canada
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 - posted October 28, 2015 10:47 AM      Profile for Jason Schmidt   Email Jason Schmidt   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I recently rewired my grandfather's Bell and Howell 254 to use a modern halogen bulb and played a silent short on it (Have Badge Will Chase). It seems like it might be running slow, but I'm not sure if that is the case or if that is because of the reel. Are there any tips or tricks to figure out if the projector is slow?

The only thing I can think of is to measure the length of the film and count the number of frames per foot to workout the total frames and then see how long it takes to go through the projector and workout the FPS from there. Or is there an easier way?

The projector I have doesn't appear to have multiple speeds, but I don't have the manual and can't seem to find one. I'm not even sure what FPS this particular projector is supposed to run at. I took the case off and the inner workings seem ok, or at least I don't see any problems given my limited knowledge.

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Steve Klare
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 - posted October 28, 2015 11:21 AM      Profile for Steve Klare   Email Steve Klare   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Well,

You are seeing an extract from "Abbott and Costello Meet the Keystone Kops" (a sound film: 24FPS) on a silent R8 machine (16FPS, maybe 18?) so this may be what the numbers call for.

See how it looks here (might be a 20 FPS transfer at that...):

Have Badge Will Chase

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Maurice Leakey
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 - posted October 28, 2015 11:25 AM      Profile for Maurice Leakey   Email Maurice Leakey   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I agree with Steve. The regular 8 projector will be running at 16fps. This is the speed at which the cameras designed for this gauge would run at.

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Jason Schmidt
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 - posted October 28, 2015 11:29 AM      Profile for Jason Schmidt   Email Jason Schmidt   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Ok, that's probably what's going on then. Seems strange that they wouldn't "fix" the fps when it is released for silent machines to match their speed, but I guess that would be a ton of work.

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Steve Klare
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 - posted October 28, 2015 11:48 AM      Profile for Steve Klare   Email Steve Klare   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
There were techniques where they'd make a silent negative with every couple of frames from the sound film skipped, but most people never noticed the difference anyway.

I projected a silent Castle newsreel at 24FPS last night (-people from New York are always in a hurry!), it was actually kind of disturbing!

I'm used to two kinds of projector sounds:

-24 FPS with a sound track
-18 FPS without

24 FPS without a sound track introduced a different projector sound into the room and different projector sounds are usually signs of trouble!

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Janice Glesser
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 - posted October 28, 2015 12:45 PM      Profile for Janice Glesser   Email Janice Glesser   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi Jason...You might be interested in this thread. I had the same question awhile back about my telecine projector. I ended up buying a Digital Tachometer to measure the frame rate.

http://8mmforum.film-tech.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=009387

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Osi Osgood
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 - posted October 28, 2015 01:11 PM      Profile for Osi Osgood   Author's Homepage   Email Osi Osgood   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Do the reels move? There's a dead give-away. [Smile]

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Clinton Hunt
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 - posted October 28, 2015 10:22 PM      Profile for Clinton Hunt   Author's Homepage   Email Clinton Hunt   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I have a few silent standard8 films that even when played on a projector with speed control still run a bit slow, and it's kind of annoying eh!
My standard 8mm sound projector runs at about 24fps I think .... But that will be too fast for silent films.
The fastest silent standard 8mm projector I've seen is a dual format and max speed was 22fps I think from memory.

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