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Leon Thomas Jones
Expert Film Handler

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From: United Kingdon
Registered: Sep 2011

posted January 20, 2012 09:51 AM

Hello I was wondering if anyone have a map or diagrams how to change a WORM WHEEL for 16MM,BELL AND HOWELL projectors. I am very grateful for your helps. Thanks
Regards
Leon

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Martin Jones
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From: Thetford , Norfolk,England
Registered: May 2008

posted January 20, 2012 09:58 AM

What model?
Martin

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Leon Thomas Jones
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From: United Kingdon
Registered: Sep 2011

posted January 20, 2012 11:40 AM

hi Martin,
it is 1695 model.Thank you in advance

regards
Leon

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Richard C Patchett
Master Film Handler

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From: Flint Mi 48506
Registered: Dec 2007

posted January 20, 2012 01:16 PM

Greetings
Worm Gear Replacement

Worm gear replacement is major overhaul. To change it requires EXTENSIVE disassembly of the mechanism (once it's removed from the projector of course!). Once you start dissembling the mechanism you lose all the critical adjustments which require the special (expensive) Bell & Howell tools & jigs to readjust/realign. The new gears are colored black to distinguish them from the old style plastic

It takes at least 4 to 6 hours to open / replace that worm gear / and to REASSEMBLE your B&H correctly.

Average cost worm gear replacement job costs around $300 per machine plus parts.

One could replace only the cracked worm gear, but it is almost the farthest thing into the projector. Half the labor is expended just accessing it. And, the projector probably wouldn't be happy and might have wow in sound and picture instability, because sprocket spindles may be dry of lubrication, a sprocket gear may be warped, sound head needs attention, shuttle needs adjustment, uneven take up drive, etc., etc.

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Mark Todd
Film God

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From: UK
Registered: Aug 2003

posted January 20, 2012 01:58 PM

Hi Leon I know a very handy chap who is quite reasonable. I can give him a ring to see how he is fixed and if he can do it, he is home based, so much better value, and he`s very good on doing the worms etc.

I`d think seriously about trying it yourself as lots to go wrong etc.

Best Mark.

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Martin Jones
Phenomenal Film Handler

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From: Thetford , Norfolk,England
Registered: May 2008

posted January 20, 2012 02:14 PM

So now you have it, Leon. They are giving you the real facts; you can read it for yourself;

http://www.film-tech.com/warehouse/index.php?category=2#16mm Projectors
Go to 16mm projectors/ B&H TQ3 1965 and download the manual...
it really is an horrendous job !
Martin

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Leon Thomas Jones
Expert Film Handler

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From: United Kingdon
Registered: Sep 2011

posted January 20, 2012 02:34 PM

Thanks Richard for your rich kind direction and advice, I am most grateful. Martin you help and direction is greatly appreciated thank you .Mark thank you for your help, but the cost of postage ,part and the labour would be to high .I better look for another projector. Thank you
Regards
Leon

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Richard C Patchett
Master Film Handler

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From: Flint Mi 48506
Registered: Dec 2007

posted January 21, 2012 11:44 AM

Greetings Leon
If the projector still runs. Use it
Ive send crack worms that last for a long time then they come apart and lock up the works
RC

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http://www.rcsclassic16mm.com/

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Leon Thomas Jones
Expert Film Handler

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From: United Kingdon
Registered: Sep 2011

posted January 22, 2012 07:48 AM

Hi Richard,
I am most grateful for your advice.I am looking to buy another 16mm projector in U.k and perhaps can use this projector for its spare parts.Thank you again and its great to have knowledgeable engineer like you in our forum .
regards
Leon

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Richard C Patchett
Master Film Handler

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From: Flint Mi 48506
Registered: Dec 2007

posted January 22, 2012 03:23 PM

Greetings Leon

Thank you for the kind words

I just checked on postage to the UK to send a projector $145.00
Just too bad the postage was a little cheaper
RC

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Lee Mannering
Film God

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From: The Projection Box
Registered: Nov 2006

posted January 23, 2012 04:50 AM

Hi Leon. I look at it this way, if the worm gear has gone and needs replacing it is worth having it done as once complete chances are it wont need doing again in your life time. Within the UK replacement and the part itself usually works out about £100 but well done worth every penny. Buying another used machine you could also find yourself with another worm gear issue perhaps?

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Leon Thomas Jones
Expert Film Handler

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From: United Kingdon
Registered: Sep 2011

posted January 25, 2012 05:32 AM

Hi everyone,
Thank you for your kind information.Talking about the cost of postage and import tax to UK from USA ,well it is a different topic.Thank you again
Regards
Leon

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Jerome Sutter
Film Handler

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From: Bellwood, IL USA
Registered: Dec 2010

posted January 25, 2012 10:53 AM

I found this little video about the Worm Gear on a B&H 16mm projector (looks like mine). It was quite interesting to watch, and you can see it is not going to be easy to replace.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxFG8P20_w8

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Leon Thomas Jones
Expert Film Handler

Posts: 108
From: United Kingdon
Registered: Sep 2011

posted January 26, 2012 05:35 AM

Hello Jerome ,
Thank you ...what a great help .I can clearly see the difficulty now .Thanks again
Regards
Leon

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Brad Kimball
Phenomenal Film Handler

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From: Highland Mills, NY USA
Registered: Jun 2003

posted February 13, 2012 08:50 PM

I have 3 Hell & Bowells and they all have the old yellow worm gear - all worn. Like Richard said "if it runs -run it". When mine finally lose all gear functionality then I pack them up one at a time and ship them out to Mr. Patchett for repair. I would invest in his time and services because chances are, when he's done with them, they'll outlive me and like someone said already I wouldn't want to invest a couple of hundred dollars to get a clunker when I can be assured that my babies will be healthy again. In addition, my two daughters will have some nice working relics to remind them of Dad's favorite past-time.

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Richard C Patchett
Master Film Handler

Posts: 424
From: Flint Mi 48506
Registered: Dec 2007

posted February 14, 2012 01:01 PM

Greetings Brad
I like the way you put it (Hell & Bowells)
I also thank you for the kind words and trust
Any service work that i do. I spend more free time to make sure your getting a Run able projector back.
I go through the whole thing and even run film through the projector for at least 2 hours Just to be sure the projector is in good running condition Before i send it back
To be honest sometimes something else gos bad so i try to make amens
RC

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Elmo, Eiki, Bell & Howell +
http://www.rcsclassic16mm.com/

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