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Arturo Glez
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From: Barcelona, Spain
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 - posted December 25, 2016 09:52 AM      Profile for Arturo Glez   Email Arturo Glez   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi friends,

I found a 16mm film reel, but the film is with vinegar odor and have the film surface like with sticky.

Must I destroy it or can be saved with any product?

Attached picture, regards, thanks in advance for your reply.

http://subefotos.com/ver/?bc40a4fb7d86827bc49a0869ecaf1f04o.jpg

http://subefotos.com/ver/?bc40a4fb7d86827bc49a0869ecaf1f04o.jpg

Regards, Arturo.

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Maurice Leakey
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 - posted December 25, 2016 10:36 AM      Profile for Maurice Leakey   Email Maurice Leakey   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Arturo
If the film smells of vinegar and is sticky, you should dispose of it as soon as possible, until you do, keep it away from the rest of your film collection.

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Barry Fritz
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 - posted December 25, 2016 01:45 PM      Profile for Barry Fritz   Email Barry Fritz   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Those links are odd. The picture appears for a second or two and then it switches to a picture of a Visa card.

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Maurice Leakey
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 - posted December 25, 2016 01:58 PM      Profile for Maurice Leakey   Email Maurice Leakey   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I have no problems accessing the pics. The 16mm film also looks warped.

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Adrian Winchester
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 - posted December 25, 2016 02:47 PM      Profile for Adrian Winchester   Email Adrian Winchester   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Arturo,
Steps can be taken which can at least considerably slow down the deterioration caused by vinegar syndrome. However, the photos (and possibly the smell) makes this case already look serious, so unless it's a print that's very rare and would be a great loss, it may not be worth effort that could be futile.

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David Guest
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 - posted December 25, 2016 04:10 PM      Profile for David Guest   Email David Guest   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
bin it

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Clinton Hunt
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 - posted December 25, 2016 05:00 PM      Profile for Clinton Hunt   Author's Homepage   Email Clinton Hunt   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Yeah,if it had a slight hint of VS then I would "ummm and errrr" for a while then clean it with Filmguard and see.
But a sticky film I would get rid of .... unless it's very rare [Smile]
If it's not rare then count ya loses and look for another copy in better condition.

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Terry Sills
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 - posted December 26, 2016 02:39 AM      Profile for Terry Sills   Email Terry Sills   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I had the same experience as Barry. The picture appears very briefly then an advert replaces it which you can't get rid of.
As for the film- it looks too far gone for any rescue attempt.

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Arturo Glez
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 - posted December 26, 2016 09:38 AM      Profile for Arturo Glez   Email Arturo Glez   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Dear Friends,

Thanks for all your replies, helps me a lot.

The film is very important for me, because is a familiar film of my grandpa.

But as you say is in a very bad state, and the worst, is deformed,I thought that with a liquid maybe could try, but as you say is impossible to save the film.

Will go to the bin unfortunately. :-(

Is very sticky and deformed, this is because was closed over 40 years in a plastic bag.

I see that a lot of 16mm films are with vinegar odor, but not deformed, on this case, is not possible to save it I see.

Thanks for your help, and all the best for you in 2017.

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Jim Schrader
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 - posted December 26, 2016 10:35 AM      Profile for Jim Schrader   Author's Homepage   Email Jim Schrader   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
here's his film
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Arturo Glez
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 - posted December 26, 2016 11:37 AM      Profile for Arturo Glez   Email Arturo Glez   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi Jim, thanks for your help posting the pic, but seems is nothing to do with the film unfortunately.

Regards,Arturo.

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Barry Fritz
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 - posted December 26, 2016 02:42 PM      Profile for Barry Fritz   Email Barry Fritz   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
OK guys, it is a rare and valuable film (to Arturo), so what might he possibly do to enable him to run it at least once through a projector? If that would work he could capture it with a digital camera and then toss the film.

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Adrian Winchester
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 - posted December 26, 2016 08:22 PM      Profile for Adrian Winchester   Email Adrian Winchester   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Arturo - something odd is happening here as the pic Jim posted is one of the ones I see if I click on your links, so I presumed it was your problem film!

Do you know if it's currently possible to project the film? If so, you could at least film it or perhaps have a DVD copy professionally made.

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Barry Fritz
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 - posted December 27, 2016 12:36 PM      Profile for Barry Fritz   Email Barry Fritz   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Jim just grabbed Arturo's photo from the page and reposted it so those of us having trouble viewing it could see it.

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Arturo Glez
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 - posted December 27, 2016 03:48 PM      Profile for Arturo Glez   Email Arturo Glez   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Dear Friends,

Thanks for your preocupation, I do not have words to say thanks.

I am sorry that you are with problems opening the links, for me there is no problem opening it, i do not why appears the aforementioned advertisement.

I put the film in the housetop out of home, i hope during this week stay "better" after feel the cold air.

Suggestions will be welcome about how to save the film, i am doubting about put the film in my Bauer P6 I do not want that breaks the projector, but thanks for your help.

A big hug for everybody here.

We keep in touch, kind regards, Arturo.

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Joseph Gerard
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Hello,
You might not be able to project it using a normal projector because of the frame rate per second through the gate. You might not be able to find someone who would scan it on a frame by frame basis because if it has vinegar syndrome it has the potential to infect other film (a matter of opinion).

Whilst I have not used them, I have seen as a new development small cheap and affordable units (put film scanner into you tube as a search term) which scan single frames of small format film and although these might take some time to complete your reel I would think its worth trying one of those and then not using it for anything else after you have digitised each frame of the affected film.

Once digitised there is a lot that can be done to restore the image (and if you are really keen telecine it back onto a new reel of film). That's what I would do if i had a problem reel.

Good Luck To You

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Michael Lattavo
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 - posted January 03, 2017 07:05 PM      Profile for Michael Lattavo   Email Michael Lattavo   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Don't throw it away yet- while you can't "cure" it, there is something you can do that should get several viewings out of it. Rewind it onto a metal reel, then soak it in filmrenew in a sealed metal can for a week or two. Remove from can, let it sit out to dry for the same amount of time it soaked. That should get rid of the sticky. Next, put it in a different sealed can with a small chunk of camphor for a few weeks (use a can that is larger than the film reel to keep the camphor from touching the film). This should help make the film more elastic.

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Arturo Glez
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 - posted January 11, 2017 12:24 PM      Profile for Arturo Glez   Email Arturo Glez   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Dear Friends,

Thanks a lot for your advices, and support.

I will try save the film, I put it this days ago in the house top with temperatures betweeen 0-5 degrees.

It seems that the vinegar smell has been reduced.

Soon I will manipulate the film and I will tell you how is.

Thanks again for your help, I really appreciate it.

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