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Maurice Leakey
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posted February 22, 2015 11:15 AM

What film cement do nine-fivers recommend for joining 9.5mm?
Was 9.5mm perforated splicing tape made?
Did C.I.R. make a 9.5mm version?

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Dominique De Bast
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posted February 22, 2015 11:45 AM

Yes Mauricen there is a 9,5 CIR model and the tape is still available. Otherwise, I use Hama cement.

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Maurice Leakey
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posted February 22, 2015 12:08 PM

Hi, Dominique
I assume that all 9.5mm film will accept cement for joining, was there any polyester stock?
Where do I get 1600 feet 9.5mm empty spools?

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Dominique De Bast
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posted February 22, 2015 01:01 PM

As far as I know, there is no polyester stock in 9,5. You can buy 9,5 spools (from 60 meters/200 ft to 800 meters/2600ft) with boxes from Julio Castell in Spain. You can e-mail him but I'm not sure he can communicate in English (but can in French)taller@juliocastells.com

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Clinton Hunt
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posted February 22, 2015 11:45 PM

I used to only use film cement to join my 9.5mm films until it wouldn't work on some notched titles that were in the tin reels, a different type of film was used but sorry I can recall what it was.Now I use tape.

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Terry Sills
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posted February 23, 2015 01:31 AM

Maurice
Have you got your hands on a Buckingham 9.5 ? I assume so if you're looking for 1600' reels.

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Dominique De Bast
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posted February 23, 2015 01:46 AM

That's interresting, Terry, I never came accross that problem. The reason why I use cement is that I clean my films with Filmguard and the tape sometimes doesn't hold. So I use the tape to fix damaged perforations or films in very bad conditions that would need too many frames lost using cement. Then I still use Filmguard on them but I try to "dry" the parts I put tape on it.

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Terry Sills
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posted February 23, 2015 02:10 AM

I found the best cement splicer to be the Marguet Tri Film (9.5/16/8mm) and I would always scrape both edges to get the best cement join, but as you say Dom, frames get lost when using a cement splicer. I am lucky enough to have a CIR which I always use now. So easy to use and gives perfect joins.

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Dominique De Bast
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posted February 23, 2015 06:51 AM

I'm Lucky to have a Hahnel splicer. It's a super 16 one converted in 9,5. I don't know how many they made like this one.

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Maurice Leakey
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posted February 23, 2015 09:02 AM

With regard to cement, I understand that early Pathescope film was different from that introduced later, and that for best results each different emulsion required a different type of cement.

I believe the earlier stock was acetate, and the later stock was triacetate, although I don't know what date/year the change was made.

Has anybody any views on this point?

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Terry Sills
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posted February 23, 2015 12:31 PM

Maurice
Graham Newnham is the man to give you an answer but now is the wrong time to trouble him. Having said that I've never had a problem using Hama cement on 9.5 but perhaps I've been lucky.

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Dominique De Bast
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posted February 23, 2015 12:31 PM

All I know is that Pathé made a cement called "Patheine" and it was written on the bottle : "Pour tous genres de films", which means : "For all kind of films". I am more aware of the change of the central perforation shape than the kind of filmstock, if someone has informations about that, it would indeed be interesting to share them here.

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Clinton Hunt
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posted February 23, 2015 02:53 PM

Here's what Ken told me a few years ago when some of my 9.5mm films wouldn't hold the join with cemeny - so I had to use tape.....

"Many years ago I had the difficult job of joining about 900ft of 9.5mm home movies shot in the 1920s which had to be removed from the little 30ft metal cassettes. It was like trying to join dozens of watch springs together and of course also had lateral curvature. This was pre tape splicing. The base of all these earlier films were diacetate. I found that some of the more recent film cements are formulated for tri acetate and do not always seem to work so well with diacetate.
Ken Finch."

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Maurice Leakey
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posted February 24, 2015 02:24 AM

Thanks to Clinton for the correct descriptions of early and later 9.5 stock.

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Dominique De Bast
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posted February 24, 2015 09:50 AM

Does anyone know if there are cement made for both types of stock ? As I said before I never experienced problem with filmstock from cartridges, so the stock may have been different in France and UK or I may have used a kind of "universal" cement ; the one I used before was bought from SEF which was a specialized French company in 9.5 (I haven't needed to use Hama cement on "cartridges stock", maybe someone else tried and can tell us what happened ?)

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Terry Sills
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posted February 24, 2015 01:38 PM

Maurice
It is possible to order a new CIR 9.5 splicer from JACRO .com but they get them direct from Italy and they are expensive ( last time I enquires about £250). They do come up occasionally on EBay but they are sought after and fetch high prices. I got a used one from Classic. Phil does sometimes have them, but it's luck of the draw as to when he acquires them.
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Dominique De Bast
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posted February 24, 2015 03:18 PM

The French site that has (two) new 9.5 CIR to sale (and that I mentionned as a reply to Maurice ad in the 9.5 sale section) asks 349 euros. Expensive, indeed.

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