Any difference between eumig mark M & mark 8

[Stuart Budd]

Shane, the leaflet was in the box with a Mark 8 (dual gauge). With the pricing being in UK £ pounds/shillings/pennies. The leaflet is pre 1971 and intended for the UK market. The fold out style manual was printed in Austria. I have just checked an 824 manual, booklet style, also printed in Austria. Some downloaded manuals I've seen are printed in the USA. The leaflet has no mention of where printed. The box is also the plain brown type with red print of the projector. These boxes have card inserts like the early P8s. The later red box with Eumig logo covering the box has polystyrene moulded packing inserts. My recent Mark S 709 came in such a red box. I previously thought these red boxes were linked to the Dixons chain of stores. But having a 709 in a red box makes me think again, as that's possibly too early, 1968-1970. My thoughts on Dixons was from the 80's or 90's.

I'll guess red boxes came in around 1970 as interestingly I also have a Mark S (Standard 8), also polystyrene moulded packing inserts, a different box to both the red box (same modern build style) and the early brown box.

It's getting quite bad now, I'm trying to date boxes!

[Shane C. Collins]

Stuart, thanks for the information. I've been trying to locate brochures, like the one you have, online for sale but nothing ever comes up. At least none I've seen in English. I imagine a lot of people probably threw these leaflets out back in the old days. Your information about the Eumig boxes is also interesting.

[Stuart Budd]

This link to https://eumig.at is very helpful.

https://eumig.at/index.php?option=co...=47&Itemid=199

Google Translate browser extension will help.

Mark M (8mm) 1965 (30000 made) 1966 (13000) 1967 (3000)
Mark 8 1966 (10000) 1967 (35000) 1968 (40000) 1969 (30000) 1970 (40000) 1971 (20000) 1972 (30000) 1973 (12000)
Mark DL 1966 (30000) 1967 (5000) 1968 (5000)

are the main model line.

The DL being the DL had no changes throughout it's production.

The Mark M Super (Wickler) is an alternative to the Mark M for Super 8. 1965 (50000 made) ~ 1973 (production reducing to 8000)

The Mark 8 Super 8 Single 8 Standard 8 is an alternative for the Mark 8. Seems to be produced along side the Mark 8!

For comparison, the Mark 610D 1972-1977, peak production in 1974 reached 180000 units. This model alone was almost produced in numbers, over it's production run, that matched all 5 variants of the M, 8 and DL put together (almost). A bit of a boom.

Not sure what Wickler means. Inch knob is my thought as translates to Winder!

[Jason Moffatt]

Stuart, Do you have the production numbers for the 501 & 502 models as i see more of these than any other eumigs.

[Shane C. Collins]

Is there also a way to date a particular projector based on it's serial number from the small tag under the supply reel arm? I know the Bolex Collector website has a cross reference for all projectors manufactured, and the range of years. It would be nice to have this for Eumig projectors.

[Stuart Budd]

Werner Schöfnagl, former head of the Eumig Service Organisation. I think I used the form over at

https://eumig.at/index.php?option=co...d=2&Itemid=235

and requested information. Werner Schöfnagl replied and was very helpful.

I believe Erik Snel may know how to date the projectors from serials.

501 and 502 D production numbers:

501 410000 between 1969-73
502 D 120000 between 1972-73

https://eumig.at/index.php?option=co...=47&Itemid=199

[Shane C. Collins]

Thanks Stuart, I'll try using the contact form over at the Eumig site. If I send in my serial number maybe he can tell me the year it was made. I only want to know out of curiosity.

Update: I sent a message but it would not send do to some error. Must be something with the page.

[Stuart Budd]

I've posted "Eumig Devices Overview (1920's to 1980s) Production Quantities" that has production runs (pdf):

https://8mmforum.film-tech.com/vbb/f...ion-quantities

[Stuart Budd]

A little update on production changes, or at least, possible changes.



This notice is possibly added to early, but not the earliest Mark M clones, due to user damage of claw, allegedly. I remember my initial attempts at removing the Gate/Pad assembly on my 710 D. I took both together. The 710 D by this time has a dot, albeit white.

There is a little cast tab in the gate holder that locates in the gate plate close to the claw park position, forcing you to remove the gate plate, firstly, away towards the front, then out.

I understand now, pressure pad first then gate. I also remove lens, just to ensure it doesn't protrude out the back of the lens housing preventing clearance. The dot is of course, at 12 o'clock when doing this.

There is actually no need to put the inch knob dot at 12 o'clock as the tab mentioned above does aid clearance if careful and the pressure pad already out, leaves plenty of space to clear the claw. Best be safe that sorry though.

However. The earliest models don't appear to have a dot on the inch knob or winder! Fun Fact. So a later addition. Possibly due to people like me using a crowbar to remove the gate assembly and breaking off the claw . Added a dot and stuck a label on the lamp housing. The dot being cast into the plastic. I won't mention the confusing sticker that's on the later 800's.

The two DLs I have all have crushed motor mounts. I'm going to have a go at sorting those myself.

[Shane C. Collins]

My Eumig Mark M Super 8 does not have this label or a red dot. I assume because only the front portion of the pressure plate can be removed. Hence the claw can not be broken off in these early machines.

[Stuart Budd]

Good point Shane. Don't actually want people using a crowbar to remove the gate on M models. But yes, those gates are fixed. It's a DL without a dot in my case. Serial 2032760, not sure of the year. Possibly 1966. Now thinking about it. This isn't proof that all early 1966 models of DL and 8 used the same inch knob as the 1965 M and M Super 8. As these mine have been repaired over the years and parts mixed up. But would be interesting to see a late M or M Super with red dot! Just to imply Eumig unified the parts bin.

[Shane C. Collins]

Good point Shane. Don't actually want people using a crowbar to remove the gate on M models. But yes, those gates are fixed. It's a DL without a dot in my case. Serial 2032760, not sure of the year. Possibly 1966. Now thinking about it. This isn't proof that all early 1966 models of DL and 8 used the same inch knob as the 1965 M and M Super 8. As these mine have been repaired over the years and parts mixed up. But would be interesting to see a late M or M Super with red dot! Just to imply Eumig unified the parts bin.

So this really is only an issue with Eumig dual 8 projectors I would assume? The dedicated format machines such as the early Eumig M Regular 8, and Eumig Mark M Super 8 should all be the same. These projectors would not need the 12 o'clock position on the claw since their rear gates are fixed, and the claw is hidden when taking out the front gate section. The DL being a dual 8 machine would, of course, need the claw positioned at 12 o'clock.
Do these early Eumig projector's manuals state why the inching knob needs to be positioned at 12 o'clock? I'd assume Eumig would have, at the very least, explained to users why they are using this procedure.

[Erik Snel]

Is there also a way to date a particular projector based on it's serial number from the small tag under the supply reel arm? I know the Bolex Collector website has a cross reference for all projectors manufactured, and the range of years. It would be nice to have this for Eumig projectors.

Yes there is and i have it, the Eumig museum also has it and i have send the pdf scans to Stuart who is converting it to a single PDF. Lets share the knowledge

[Shane C. Collins]

Yes there is and i have it, the Eumig museum also has it and i have send the pdf scans to Stuart who is converting it to a single PDF. Lets share the knowledge

That's awesome Erik! Yes sharing the knowledge is important in this hobby. I am always amazed at the support, and willingness to help others here at the 8mm forum.

[Erik Snel]

As i have derived from the serial number page the Mark M was the first projector folowed by the Mark M super 8. they are dedicated machines. later the Mark 8 came and was always dual gauge.

The Mark M super 8 and the Mark 8 were built simultaniously for several years

for who is interested, the Eumig mark M came in at least two versions with updated looks

first one from 1967
and a later version from 1971