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  • #16
    I have seen some very good films of recent years at our local cinema. People seem to be better behaved at our little independent than in the big multiplexes. I hesitate to say this, but it seems to me that many of the products coming from the U.S these days rely too much on CGI and Sci Fi fantasy. Superman, Wonder woman, Captain Marvel, Spiderman etc.etc. Maybe it is my age! Ken Finch.

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    • #17
      Sometimes it is hard to tell many years ago as a projectionist on duty when I saw the trailers for the Little mermaid I thought to myself oh no this thing is going to be a piece of garbage and look what happened I own all three on DVD and I own the first one on super eight for length and love it

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      • #18
        Yes as Ken says, its all fantasy and SciFi anymore at the cinema. Drama films are just not being made at all as far as I can tell. So no opportunity for good actors to develop into great ones. Which is why I like the old classic movies the best

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        • #19
          Comic reproductions and franchises are a trend that as long as they make money they will be churned out. With all the methods of making income from a film like cinema, streaming , physical units blu ray, television rights etc it near impossible not to make a profit eventually.

          The big growth markets for films are outside US and even Europe. Those markets amount to only amount to 25% to 30% of the box office. Rest of the world make up the rest.

          I wouldn’t call them fantasy or science fiction either they are graphic novels which is the key to understanding them. They are all “visual” no meaningful dialogue and a script any child can write on the back of a cigarette pack. Why? That is because they not aimed for for local market but China India in fact is anywhere that doesn’t need language to understand. Look at Bollywood or Kong Fu movies they are all visual.

          In terms of actual physical cinemas I think we are actually at the end of an era. Which is sad. There will be big smart money cinemas like theatre but the multiplexs I fear will go the way of the flea pits in the 1970s and 1980s. Homes with cinema experience rooms are more common than they were even 10 years ago. Netflix Amazon Sky will become the big players in film production is going through the roof.

          Whilst missing the audience experience comfort no annoyances no need to leave our home and setting your own agenda is now looking more attractive.

          2020 is the first year since 1975 I didn’t go to the cinema. 2021 is looking similar I might go to see new Bond movie but then again might wait for Blu ray I do have a cinema.

          I suppose I am moving into the middle aged collector bracket but I remember having conversations with collectors years ago at film convention and was amazed how few went to the cinema on a regular basis and how they questioned what some Derann releases of modern films from 1980s and 90s were like they had never seen them.

          Interesting to hear other views.



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          • #20
            I knew I was entitled to a sex life. That's it! I'm not paying my council tax until I get one. If the M25 wasn't so far away I'd go and sit on it! Ou err missis. Sorry, just had a chocolate biscuit. Sugar does this to me. I'll be alright in a min

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            • #21
              Stuart wait until you read this nothing has ever topped this classic.

              I still want to destroy all copies of The Rose.


              https://8mmforum.film-tech.com/cgi-b...=000423#000000

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              • #22
                Most definitely, the best animated films,cgi or hand drawn animation are being made overseas, and not in the U.S. Disney died almost 20 years ago, quite sadly. I don't mind the cgi, if I can't really tell it's cgi. I am totally fed up with super hero films. Very few have been worth watching even more than once. By the way, "Cry Macho" is definitely a drama. It's certainly not an actioneer.

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                • #23
                  Ken it isn't your age, your right, Hollywood just throw out one crap CGI ridden film after another. Snowflakes today laugh at the likes of the Harryhausen special effects, yet when i see the over use of CGI, i think it looks ten times worse, almost laughable at times. The early special effects were done by real artists in the industry, today its a bunch of kids sat on computer's at a desk.
                  In the 80s and early 90s, when you hear a new film was coming out with Bruce Willis, or Sly Stallone, Tom Cruise , Kevin Costner and the likes (to name a few), you often planned to go to the pictures to see it not knowing what it was about, you just knew it was going to be pretty good, and full of action.
                  One of the biggest problems for real film makers now is that Hollywood have decided that films must include a certain list, what utter bollocks! Let the film makers create the films THEY want. I guess the real talent will now fade away and make room for more creative manipulation of the film going audiences. Watch and be brainwashed. This how you must behave, this is how you must think, this is what you must never say. It's all up there on the screen. (and on the TV we all watch). Sad, but true. Notice how certain films and classic TV sreies are never ever shown anymore?
                  One can only hope that these crappy DC comic films pass by and make way for something with a real story behind it.

                  I also hope that this trend of appealing to the snowflakes and other minority groups passes by very quickly, and this nonsense of tampering with Superman in this way just beggars believe, it isn't wanted nor is it necessary to change such a character,(or his Son, i assume he isn't the man of steel, but the man of mince ).

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Osi Osgood View Post
                    Most definitely, the best animated films,cgi or hand drawn animation are being made overseas, and not in the U.S. Disney died almost 20 years ago, quite sadly. I don't mind the cgi, if I can't really tell it's cgi. I am totally fed up with super hero films. Very few have been worth watching even more than once. By the way, "Cry Macho" is definitely a drama. It's certainly not an actioneer.
                    Disney go off the boil every 20 years. Roy Disney is not there anymore to kick them up the arse. You are definitely trying going to get me to buy Cry Macho now might as well as I have most of them. Is it about a chicken farmer and hopefully he doesn’t sing in this one.

                    You know I actually bought the House of Cards George Peppard purely on seeing the title sequence of the dead body floating down the Seine. Unfortunately, that was that was the best part. Orsen Welles is also in it as the leading nazi leader an selling point for you.
                    Last edited by Mike Newell; October 13, 2021, 04:51 PM.

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                    • #25
                      As a good friend of mine pointed out, in a nutshell, so to speak, why has DC comics decided to bring the sexuality of a super hero's character into a comic which is aimed at kids?
                      Thats the bit i dont get, is the sales that crap that they need this feeble idea for cheap free publicity? Or are they just trying to be hip?

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                      • #26
                        There is an agenda, and I will just leave it at that. It will in large part, destroy Hollywood, as it once was. Perhaps that is why most of the best entertainments are found on the small screen, the TV, in this day and age.

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                        • #27
                          All i can say is, at least we still have Tarrantino talking freely and snubbing the do gooders. And he still uses real film.

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                          • #28
                            I do not think cinemas will actually disapear because basically we are "social animals" and need to socialise for our mental wellbeing as being "in lockdown has proved" Having 900 odd TV channels and an equal number on the internet, all working 24/7 uses a tremendous amount of electricity which needs to be generated world wide. The way things are going, the internet is going to "crash before long" It only needs a couple of solar flares, a "cyberwar" or running out of the rare elements required. It actually may have already started. No one has really explained why Facebook etc. suddenly stopped working!! Ken Finch.

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                            • #29
                              Ken, i agree, cinema wont dissapear, but what i think they do need to do now is start to introduce proper films back into the cinema, films like Psycho, The Searchers, The Deer Hunter, Die Hard, The Hammer Horrors, Bridge on the River Kwai, to name just a few. I think re-runs, if if was marketed properly, could do well. The problem today as you said, are the internet, kids think streaming crap down on a phone is cool. Half of them havnt lived as far a cinema is concerned, and then in 2021 we get the PC James Bond and now this laughable nonsense from DC comics. We've had the economic reset with covid, we now need a serious reboot of cinema. New stuff is always welcome if it is good, as in, Stan & Olly and just as good, a very little know film called Fisherman's Friends, based on a true story, it is a great little film but because it wasn't a Hollywood blockbuster or American made, it gets little in the way of publicity. I saw the trailer for it when we went to see Stan and Olly. If you havnt seen it, i would recommend it to you.
                              Every time a film that was made pre 2000 is shown on TV here in the UK, they put out a pathetic warning that it may upset people as it contains views and language that were of the time. What absolute utter S***. If people are upset by pathetic words like the N word or queer or puff, or anything similar, then they need to get a life, and fast, these people also use it to one another in real life today, but thats ok isnt it.
                              Cinema needs a real boost and the way to do it is show the classic films of the past, to todays audiences. TV and Hollywood need to Stop trying to brainwash, they dont seem to realise that 99% of people are not babies and they dont fall for it.
                              This new trend being set by DC comics will only breed more problems, and NOT bring people together.

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                              • #30
                                Tom, in the first Superman film I saw, he was kissing a girl. Now, he might just be kissing a boy. What's the problem with that? There are plenty of boys out there who kiss other boys, and plenty of girls who kiss girls. There are also boys who kiss boys and girls, and... you get the drift.

                                Did you have a problem with Superman kissing a girl? I'm guessing not. If your issue is with him kissing a boy, isn't that a little bit homophobic? I notice you were quite happy to censor the 'N word' as you put it above, but you are OK to spell out 'queer' and 'puff'.

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