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Brian Hendel
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From: New York, New York
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- posted June 12, 2011 10:24 PM      Profile for Brian Hendel     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Just wanted to share my downer experience on Craigslist this weekend. I always look on the site for projectors and films... and Friday I saw a mint Eumig S807 never used in the box. Got stuck in all sorts of traffic driving out to Brooklyn during rush hour... checked the projector... and it was working fine. Bulb worked... sound was fine. Got home (after alot more traffic) watched my 200' Star Wars digest. Everything was great. Then went to rewind and the whole thing died. There is no movement at all. The fan is on with the bulb -- but nothing is moving... Oh well, just a warning to everyone that old projectors can look great at first inspection, but not having been used for three decades or so, there's no guarantee that things are really OK. The guy selling it was kind of sketchy so I'm not going to try to give it back to him. I thought it may just be a belt but I can't see any belts visible when I took off the back cover. So... I have another "parts only" Eumig taking up more space!

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Greg Marshall
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From: Nashville, TN USA
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- posted June 12, 2011 10:45 PM      Profile for Greg Marshall     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
That sucks, Brian. Sounds like something that would happen to me, too.

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Vincent Zabbia
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From: Montrose, NY
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- posted June 13, 2011 10:30 AM      Profile for Vincent Zabbia   Author's Homepage   Email Vincent Zabbia   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
If the forward motion works, then the rewind is not far behind. Could be that the the pressure spring is not adjusted correctly. This is found behind the front control plate. Must remove all knobs before removing plate. After entering you will have to check the side which tilts the rewing mechanism. See if it's tight if not get a screwdriver and make the adjustment...Study it before attempting ...Get the feel for it ...Good Luck

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Brian Hendel
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- posted June 13, 2011 04:42 PM      Profile for Brian Hendel     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
The strange thing is the forward and the rewind functions are both not working. The forward worked fine while testing it and when I got it home it played one 200' reel and then stopped all together. It's strange because I would think if the motor was dying it would slowly conk out - not just ok one second completely dead the next. So... is there something I should try adjusting?

Greg - I know! I have the worst luck with projectors. Just an hour or so with me and they stop working... never fails... I treat them so nicely and this is what I get in return!

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Paul Adsett
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- posted June 13, 2011 08:06 PM      Profile for Paul Adsett     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Brian,
Remind me to keep my projectors as far away from you as possible! [Big Grin]

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Brad Kimball
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- posted June 14, 2011 08:32 AM      Profile for Brad Kimball   Email Brad Kimball   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I agree, Brian, I would think if the motor was on its way out you wouldn't just see it die so quickly. Is the person you bought it from a "dealer" in cinema-related goodies or was it just an old "storage" item he was looking to unload? If the case was the latter - good chance it may have been exposed to extreme cold/heat/humidity/dust and we all know what havoc this can cause on any electrical equipment. If he "deals" with movie-related products - then, yes, sounds like you got snookered and I would let it go. You don't know what crazies you're dealing with where Craig's List is concerned. This is why I never use C/L. Too many risks (on several levels) for my comfort.

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Steve Klare
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- posted June 14, 2011 08:46 AM      Profile for Steve Klare   Email Steve Klare   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
My fifty mile away guess (...for whatever that's worth) is that the motor has its own fuse. When you shifted into reverse something either mechanically jammed or electrically shorted and then that fuse popped. Now when you go back forward there is no power for the motor.

-Might not even be a real fuse: may be some innocent bystander circuit board trace or connector contact that got zorched.

I know I always arrive at this point...but do you have a voltmeter?

Can you put it across the motor and see if the voltage is getting to it?

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Brad Kimball
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- posted June 14, 2011 09:15 AM      Profile for Brad Kimball   Email Brad Kimball   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I have a Sankyo 500 that turns on, but no movement. I never discarded it for fear that there may be a simple way of testing/repairing it such as Steve has suggested.

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Steve Klare
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- posted June 14, 2011 09:23 AM      Profile for Steve Klare   Email Steve Klare   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Wellllll....

-I never said it would be simple!. It's just knowing what's really happening is the first step to fixing anything.

Even a cheapy meter and the knowledge of how to use are very handy in this hobby.

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Vincent Zabbia
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- posted June 14, 2011 11:19 AM      Profile for Vincent Zabbia   Author's Homepage   Email Vincent Zabbia   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Is the toggle spinning on the inside...??

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Tony Stucchio
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- posted June 14, 2011 06:47 PM      Profile for Tony Stucchio     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
It's amazing how a machine can work perfectly one minute, and then stop working the next. Has happened to me many times (not just with "new" projectors, but with ones I've had for years.) Also, according to the Stucchio principle, within any 24 hour period, you can never have the cover off the back of the projector just once. There is ALWAYS a need to take it off again. And you will always drop a piece (usually a small screw) on the floor and it will land in a completely unbelievable place. If not on the floor, it will fall into the projector and get stuck on a magnetized piece so you can't shake it out.

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Brian Hendel
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- posted June 14, 2011 07:17 PM      Profile for Brian Hendel     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Vincent - Thanks for your help. I understand you are an expert on all things Eumig. I can check the projector again on Saturday... this may be a stupid question... but what's the "spinning toggle" I have to check. Is it clearly visible?

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Vincent Zabbia
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- posted June 14, 2011 08:47 PM      Profile for Vincent Zabbia   Author's Homepage   Email Vincent Zabbia   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Yes it is visible. It sits between the two flat rubber discs. one side is for forward and the other for reverse..When you turn the control knob, you are actualy tilting the motor which in turn tilts the spinning toggle. The amount of pressure applied to the disc. is very critical.

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Brian Hendel
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- posted June 15, 2011 06:46 PM      Profile for Brian Hendel     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Will check this weekend and let you know... Thanks Vince!

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Brian Hendel
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- posted June 18, 2011 02:33 PM      Profile for Brian Hendel     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
So I just turned on the projector again and it's working fine in forward and reverse. I don't trust it because I feel it can shut down at any moment... but isn't this a good sign it's not the motor and just some sort of connection problem. Going to watch it carefully and see what happens next.

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Vincent Zabbia
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- posted June 18, 2011 02:52 PM      Profile for Vincent Zabbia   Author's Homepage   Email Vincent Zabbia   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Yes it is a good sign...You should also test it with a film. The film going through is the true test ...Make sure you use a film that you don't care about. In other words a disposable film. If the projector stops, you won't be able to remove the film...Run the projector for a few minute without a film, just as a warmup...Keep fingers crossed...

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Brian Hendel
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- posted June 18, 2011 03:13 PM      Profile for Brian Hendel     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Vince - Little update. As I was rewinding the film... it started slowing down and then stopped. But I took off the cover and pushed the toggle thing between the two rubber plates and it started going again fine. Now it's working perfectly again. So it's definitely what you thought - the toggle is not making a good connection. It seems to hold it for a while and then slips again. Is there a way to adjust something so the connection is fine again for good? It's making my weekend that this isn't going to turn out to be a piece of junk!

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Brian Hendel
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- posted June 20, 2011 12:15 AM      Profile for Brian Hendel     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
One more update - I played the projector literally for hours this weekend with no speed/stopping problem at all... but never put it in reverse. I used my rewind arms instead because I have a feeling it's moving the motor into the rewind position is what causes the problem. So until I know how to make the adjustment so it makes the right contact, I will just happily continue using the machine in only the forward mode - which isn't the worst thing in the world!

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Gerald Santana
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- posted June 20, 2011 01:31 AM      Profile for Gerald Santana   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Brian - That's great news about your projector, I rarely rewind films on the projector anymore. I usually put up a 1200' take up reel, add films until full then, un-splice them on rewinds later. It speeds up the show and my crank on rewinds is smoother and faster than the projector.

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Vincent Zabbia
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- posted June 20, 2011 10:15 AM      Profile for Vincent Zabbia   Author's Homepage   Email Vincent Zabbia   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Being able to play movies is the number one most important function of the projector...I also use rewinders to save wear and tear on my projectors...When you go from the rewind mode to the forward mode..It's probably not kicking over enough to be functional...The adjustment I told you about may not be adjusted correctly...But don't fool with this as you may open up a bag of worms. One day when you decide to sell the projector, this will be the time to experiment...Good luck with your projector...Vin

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Vincent Zabbia
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- posted June 21, 2011 11:35 AM      Profile for Vincent Zabbia   Author's Homepage   Email Vincent Zabbia   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Brian, I just spoke with Steve Osborne ...He says hi..

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Brian Hendel
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- posted June 21, 2011 06:50 PM      Profile for Brian Hendel     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Tell him I say "Hi" back - in fact I have to call him tonight so I'll do it myself! Thanks for passing along the message.

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Greg Marshall
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- posted June 21, 2011 07:46 PM      Profile for Greg Marshall     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
That's great news, Brian! I keep the rewinds up all the time, and always use them to do my rewinding, build-up and tear-down.

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