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David Hardy
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posted March 13, 2017 03:36 PM

Yes Nigel MAD being the operative word here.

Even if they can and are willing to pay over the top prices
I think they are insane and are in need of a Sanity Clause.

I mean its only 8mm film after all...Come on get real ! [Big Grin]

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Andrew Woodcock
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posted March 13, 2017 06:05 PM

Nigel, I promise you, based on your words there,you won't ever stumble upon a decent early Derann print of Star Wars!

The £400 is here and waiting mate, but I promise you,.. it will simply never ever happen. The time has been and gone!

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Alan Rik
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posted March 13, 2017 06:31 PM

Wow..that much for "Speed"? Now for me...that is over the top!
And I own "Speed".
I guess now is the time to sell.
I won't but if you are thinking about it now is the time.
That is insane. At this rate..I'll be priced out of the hobby soon.
I wonder if its a bunch of new collectors who just won the Lotto?
Or maybe they are buyers who only collect and do not screen anything?
I remember a buyer who shall be called F.A. When he burst upon the scene he bought everything and anything related to Elmo and he drove up the market like crazy.
He outbid everyone on everything. 1.0 lens sold for $550 +. Great for the seller but really bad for the market. But-he didn't know anything really about Super 8 but he had cash to burn. When he purchased something off you he wanted it sent overnight Express no matter what the cost. He would say, "I don't care about the cost. Send it and give me the bill". I wonder if these buyers are the same type of "collector"?

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Andrew Woodcock
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posted March 13, 2017 06:47 PM

I have Speed also as you probably know Alan, and while I agree, it's not the best of the best 90's films in the world, it's one I love and cherish.

I rate it as highly repeatedly and watchable as any Star Wars or any of the others from this same era.
Therefore if someone wants to spend a grand on SW, then I'd certainly advocate this film could well be worth a similar amount in my book.

Not that any of this matters to me, as I won't ever be selling anything I've been lucky enough to collect this time around.

It's all dead money to me, but highly satisfying expenditure nevertheless. [Smile]

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Will Trenfield
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posted March 13, 2017 07:37 PM

David Hardy mentioned "Napolean" on the 1st posting on this page. This a link to YouTube showing the BFI's trailer for their restored version. Jaw-dropping....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6504eRh5h6M

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Winbert Hutahaean
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posted March 13, 2017 07:57 PM

What may happen now, that those films are collected by rich men who don't really bother with super 8mm. They bought just for the sake to own it. There will be a limit, when finally the trend will slow down and the price will drop. This is something we see often in the stock market. If I were a stockbrokers, and you were the investor, I would susggest to sell your stocks now.

I knew some members here are actually investing their money on films. I knew somone who owns 3 copies of the same title. This is the math:

If that print was purchased in 2001 where the price was about £345 for a Speed (colur and sound), this means after 16 years (2017) the actual cost after inflation is: £533.81, according to this Inflation calculator rate. So something is sold below that amount does not make any sense.

Now investing must also calculate the interest and profit for taking the property stored/deposited. The interest rate will be around 8%/annum. It is about £30/year, so after 16 years it will be £1181.95 (flat interest rate).

This is only for brand new prints that never been run on projectors. So if you have this kind of print, you must sell above £1181.95 for a Speed print. If you sell below that price this means you are investing for nothing.

It is different case for a second hand print. So if it sold for about £533.81 you are even. You enjoy your movie for several screening and got your money back in full amount. Now, if you sell more than that...You are lucky!

Think about that! [Wink]

For referrence:

Derann List for Brand new prints 2001

Price Conversion code in 2001

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Graham Ritchie
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posted March 13, 2017 11:19 PM

I dont think its "mad" for people to pay large sums of money for a film. If they can afford it thats fine by me.....each to there own.

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Martin Davey
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posted March 14, 2017 03:27 AM

I feel fortunate. I started collecting films in 1980 but I have never had the slightest interest whatsoever in buying features, instead just collecting shorts, trailers, L&H etc. I get my 'film projection' fix just by running those from the top of the pile down to the bottom, and when I reach the bottom I start again at the top. I have always viewed feature film buying risky, even when prices were normal. If I brought a new trailer and finding on projection it had a blue cast, negative sparkle and muddy sound, then I can write it off, but I was not ever prepared to buy a feature for a few £100 and have the same disappointment.
All my feature film watching now is via blu ray, projecting on a 7ft screen with 5.1 sound. It may be Star Wars, Gone with the Wind or Taxi Driver, but its cheap and is of a predictable technical quality, my cheapest purchase being 'The Artist' at £1.50.

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David Hardy
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posted March 14, 2017 03:56 AM

Martin you have a sensible and common sense approach to
your movie viewing habits in 2017 and beyond. I have been collecting 8mm since 1966.

Winbert thanks for that information regarding inflation
calculation.

I am about to look at my Super 8mm feature collection
with a view to selling them off at greatly inflated prices
while the iron is still hot and they can still be projected.

I have one very valid and sane reason for doing this. [Smile]

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Andrew Woodcock
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posted March 14, 2017 05:22 AM

Cannot wait David! [Wink]

If you no longer want them, there's plenty out there that do, even with over inflated prices.

As for Winberts calculations,..please allow me to share the official collectors calculation..

Price of film divided by number of years left to screen it in equals pleasure price per annum,.. then multiplied by ten thousand = pleasure obtained total (measured in endorphins) by the average film collector! [Big Grin]

[ March 14, 2017, 06:45 AM: Message edited by: Andrew Woodcock ]

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Maurice Leakey
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posted March 14, 2017 05:54 AM

I was talking only yesterday to a small time film dealer. He said that he put many Super 8 digests on eBay recently at "Buy It Now" prices of around £10 to £15 each. He was surprised that he didn't even sell one of them.
He went on an eBay search and discovered that the same titles were advertised, and being sold, at around £50 each. So he upped his prices.
He very quickly sold the lot !!

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Andrew Woodcock
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posted March 14, 2017 06:16 AM

And if any dealer would therefore like to advertise later Derann features at cut down prices just to put a few off, rather than selling them all on ebay for top dollar,..

I'd be the one to buy them all so long as they are all in good Nick! 😂😂

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Winbert Hutahaean
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posted March 14, 2017 08:10 AM

Collectors' calculation is based on his/her hobby. Therefore no matter £1000 for Speed or £10 for a TJ as long as it makes you happy, be with it.

Happiness cannot be measured with money.Therefor it is not a Sanity clause per thread subject.

It is a different case if he/she buy a print with the intention to re sale it in the future at a better price. You will be lost here.

Cheers,

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Andrew Woodcock
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posted March 14, 2017 08:17 AM

indeed I will be Winbert as I have no desire whatsoever to ever fleece anyone by selling at profit, a commodity I love.

I buy to collect, never to sell for profit!

When I have very very occasionally let items go that mean more to one particular decent collector than they do to myself, I've either sold them for what I've paid or less than I've paid if they are still complaining.

That's my nature Winbert, I like to share the excitement and love for the hobby personally, and couldn't give a flying you know what about money, only what I can buy with it!

The names Hunt,...

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Graham Ritchie
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posted March 14, 2017 06:28 PM

Sanity

Dictionary states....of sound mind: sensible: rational.

Well that must rule out anyone that collects films in this digital age....so sell all your precious films and buy the blu-ray instead [Smile]

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Osi Osgood
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posted March 15, 2017 12:16 PM

As a general rule, STAR WARS is the odd print that will go for absolutely astounding prices, but then, it's one of the few "cross-over" prints in that, even people who have no intention of buying a projector, will but this film just to say that they have an actual STAR WARS print of thier own.

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David Hardy
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posted March 15, 2017 05:19 PM

Yes Sane = Rational / Sound Mind and all that psycho - babble
while we in the West sit back and spend hundreds or thousands
of pounds or dollars on prints in order to be ENTERTAINED in
our own homes.

While others starve to death along with their children due to
famines or wars caused by the greed of the Western World.

Something is not right here.

Is it just me ?

In fact I feel kind of guilty right now .

How about you ?

This hobby has gone nuts price wise.

Its okay guys I don't wish to discuss politics or religion.

Its just the way I feel about things in the world at the moment.

My hobbies are not enough of a distraction at the moment I guess.

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Winbert Hutahaean
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posted March 15, 2017 09:49 PM

quote:
on prints in order to be ENTERTAINED in
our own homes. While others starve to death along with their children due to famines or wars caused by the greed of the Western World.

David, if this is your reason to start this topic, then you are in a wrong place.

Hobby is to satisfy ourselves, not even my wife and kids. It is a selfish thing, if I want to say. If my wife or kids like my hobby, that is a side advantage, but not my intention. My wife does not even like my hobby nor agree with my purchase for super 8mm prints, so why I have to care with outside my house.

It does not mean I did not care with the outside but there is a proper place to express that feeling, not here.

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David Hardy
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posted March 16, 2017 06:19 AM

Winbert you are correct this is not the place.

I may just have to much of a social conscious I guess.

I will be saying no more on this.

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Osi Osgood
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posted March 16, 2017 11:06 AM

I have a social conscience ...

but I have also EARNED the right to spend a tad bit on me-self for that odd, pricey print.

I won't go into politics and such for, as you said, it's not the place. [Smile]

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David Hardy
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posted March 17, 2017 04:36 AM

I have just solved the problem as to how to put an end to
these crazy rising false values on 8mm prints.

Instead of selling my collection i could destroy all my prints.
That way they are taken out of circulation for good.
I shall burn them all in the back yard.

My worry is that this may in the long term push prices even
higher as there would be less in circulation and make the "rare"
prints even rarer. BLOODY HELL !!!

As an alternative I could sell them very cheaply in order to push
down prices thus decrease the value.

Anyone want to buy a complete print of Gone With The Wind for
£ 10.00 ? Hahaha !!!

[Big Grin]

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Andrew Woodcock
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posted March 17, 2017 06:47 AM

That's just it though David isn't it?

Much as we see collectors old and new criticizing prices these days, for those that have any of the most desirable type like your good self here with your GWTW print, no one is prepared to stick to a principle and let them go for good old fashioned second hand dealers prices, are they?

I'm not suggesting for one minute they should, after all they'd no doubt simply just get stitched up by seeing the very same film on ebay a week later for 3 times what they paid.

That of course, is the other problem in all of this.
Some people just have the morals of an alley cat, even when you try to do them a good turn.

Devout film collectors only until the ten pound note signs appear before their very eyes! [Mad]

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Mike Newell
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posted March 17, 2017 07:06 PM

I would say bring in on David you could be in he south of France in a magnificent villa. I would warn you GWTW is not a popular title for collectors too long and belongs to the sector that I think will decline in value pre 1940s western and musicals from golden era. The big hitters that will sell for big prices will always be horror, science fiction and Disney look at what Derann continually released at their peak.

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Andrew Woodcock
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posted March 17, 2017 07:07 PM

And on that one, I totally agree Mike!

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David Hardy
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posted March 28, 2017 06:20 PM

I should do just fine if I ever did sell my 8mm features.

I have some good Derann prints in my collection at the moment
and because anything Derann appears to be 'hot' I could be
quite well off soon. [Smile]

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