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Daniel Macarone
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posted March 05, 2016 11:45 PM

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As I try to learn about 16mm equipment, before I buy my first 16mm projector, I wonder if the Elmo CX-350 is considered one of the top high-end projectors and how it compares to the Elmo 16-CL. The 16-CL is usually priced even less than Elmo super 8 projectors on ebay and the CX-350 is much higher-priced. Do both of these machines have their advantages and drawbacks?

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Mark Mander
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posted March 06, 2016 03:05 AM

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Hi Daniel,
The CL machines run quieter than the CX machines, CL has a halogen bulb (xenon machines are available) CX is a xenon lamp hence more noise for extra cooling. Bulb prices are cheaper for the CL, picture quality on the xenon machine will be much brighter and normally a better looking image with the same lens, Mark

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Josef Grassmann
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posted March 12, 2016 11:57 AM

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Hello Daniel,
please note, that production of Ushio 350 Watt Xenon bulbs has finished /discontinued years ago. Difficult to obtain 350W xenon bulbs.
Go for 550 Watt Xenon, more common and still in production.
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Paul Suchy
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posted March 17, 2016 03:52 PM

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Hi Daniel,
You have to ask yourself if you need a xenon machine; I'm very pleased with the light output on a CL with an eight foot wide screen (even with a scope lens). I only do home showings and don't do auditorium or outdoor screenings (that's where the extra light output is needed). The ELC-HL lamps work well with the Elmo 16CL and they are easy to get. The Elmo CL is a reliable machine and there are many people who still service them. Hope this helps.

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Stuart Reid
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posted March 18, 2016 08:03 AM

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How is production for the Eiki lamps, such as those used in the EX-1500, 3500 etc?

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Daniel Macarone
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posted March 18, 2016 10:10 AM

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Thank you. With that information, I think I will get a 16-CL, as I will only be showing films at home. The other important question is about steady projected image. I have heard that the CX-350 has rock-steady picture. Is that true of the 16-CL, too?

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Mike Williamson
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posted March 18, 2016 11:49 AM

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For what it's worth, there are still bulbs being manufactured for the CX350. I believe you can buy them through Urbanski Film if I'm not mistaken.

I started out with a CL, and was happy with it until I REALLY got into 16mm and bought a CX350. I can't imagine going back now. I sold my CL immediately.

Both have steady picture, btw. Also... I hate Eiki. Never get an Eiki. It's like a toy compared to Elmo. I have one I use exclusively as on ya set of rewinds [Smile]

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Stuart Reid
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posted March 18, 2016 12:41 PM

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Wow Mike, I'm stunned at that statement! I had an EX-3500 which I adored, it behaved flawlessy no matter what I ran through it. Fond memories of a friend's birthday party running a beautiful print of Dirty Dancing on a long play unit outside on a hacked-together 16 foot screen. Neighbours were none too happy.

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Andrew Woodcock
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posted March 18, 2016 04:36 PM

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Great film, even better way to show it Stuart!
Happy days eh [Razz]

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Who needs neighbours anyhow Stuart, when there's an outdoor screening at stake?

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Stuart Reid
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posted March 18, 2016 06:26 PM

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I know, right? And they were getting a free movie show!

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Elyas Tesfaye
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posted March 19, 2016 08:10 AM

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Hi all,

EIKIs, toys? Ouch lol!!! N here I thought I had the best machine in my SSL-Os [Frown]

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... Could anyone on this thread please elaborate with specific details [Smile]

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? Thanks and cheers [Big Grin]

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Mike Williamson
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posted March 19, 2016 03:55 PM

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My opinion on Eikis may be in the minority, but I found them quite sensitive on splices, often jittering badly in the gate, and the projectors themselves seem more lightweight and "plastic" than Elmo which feels more robust and sturdy in its mechanics.

Just my opinion. There's certainly WORSE than an Eiki, but as far as those two more modern 80s projectors, I like Elmo much more.

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Barry Fritz
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posted March 19, 2016 08:28 PM

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If you like your projector and it performs well, don't get riled up over the opinion of someone else. Eiki projectors aren't perfect, but neither are the Elmo machines. The CL gets a lot of ink on 16mm forums due to problems with take-up and the rollers that turn to goo. People tend to like what they have had good luck with. Debates are endless. Chevy vs Ford, Colt vs Smith & Wesson, Canon vs Nikon.

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Elyas Tesfaye
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posted March 19, 2016 09:57 PM

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Thanks a lot, Mike and Barry,

and personally speaking, I've never been let down by my SSL-Os [Smile]

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... Fabulous picturestability, quiet as a church mouse, super gentle on film n so on n so forth n what have you [Big Grin]

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Elyas

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Dominique De Bast
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posted March 20, 2016 02:58 AM

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I have two 16 mm Eiki and one 9,5 Buckingham (which is a converted Eiki). I like the three projectors and have certainly never regarded them as toys :-) However, I must admitt that there is an Eiki model (I don't know the reference) I would not like as it stops each time a splice is not good enough for its mechanism.

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Elyas Tesfaye
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posted March 20, 2016 11:56 AM

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Hi Dom,

thanks for the shared love of, n heads up about, EIKIs [Smile]

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Cheers,
Elyas

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Paul Suchy
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posted March 20, 2016 06:09 PM

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I agree that a lot of this is about personal experience (and luck); I had so many problems with my two Eiki projectors (even after servicing), that I gave up on them. However, a friend of mine has owned nothing but Eiki machines for the past thirty years and is very pleased with them. The main reason for my Elmo CL preference is simplicity; the projectors are so basic and reliable. I dream of a CL made for super 8 that just shows movies very well without all the extra stuff.

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Joseph Randall
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posted March 20, 2016 08:19 PM

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I like my Elmo CL but it doesn't handle warped film as good as my Eiki, and the auto-loop restorer doesn't always work.

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Mitchell Dvoskin
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posted March 23, 2016 08:56 AM

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There is no significant difference in the mechanical film transport between the Elmo CL and CX series. The CX-350 and CX-550 are Xenon bulb projectors, the CL series are halogen bulb projectors.

The only reason that the CX series is slightly more noisy is the extra fans for the Xenon Bulb. Both are relatively quiet projectors as 16mm projectors go.

There was also a:

CL-16 Xenon (250 watt)

CL-16 Xenon deluxe, (250 watt) which replaced the mechanical knob with powered servo-controlled push buttons to engage the transport.

A Xenon bulb should last between 1000 to 2000 hours of use.
Most halogen bulbs a few hundred hours at most.

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