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Osi Osgood
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From: Mountian Home, ID.
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posted March 06, 2017 12:06 PM

look at this auction ...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/JERRY-LEWIS-is-THE-BIG-MOUTH-Never-Released-Rare-Super-8-Print-color-sound-400ft-/182454110422?hash=item2a7b1cc8d6:g:0T0AAOSwax5YrfnG

Down below in the description, he states, "All Super 8 fades", and then explains further.

Apparantly, he's never heard of Agfa, L.P.P. and, in most cases Fiji film (well, none of my fuji prints have faded yet).

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Marshall Crist
Master Film Handler

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From: San Pedro, CA USA
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posted March 06, 2017 12:20 PM

Unfortunately, I am the reason for the disclaimer. I purchased a U8 digest of THIS ISLAND EARTH from him, described as having good color. I could see that there were already a couple of other buyers watching the item, and it had a reasonable buy-it-now price, so I rolled the dice. The color was pretty bad, so I returned it. He sent a message saying that unfortunately, all these Super 8 films fade. I did not engage.

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Osi Osgood
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posted March 06, 2017 12:28 PM

Ahhh ...

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Steve Klare
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From: Long Island, NY, USA
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posted March 06, 2017 12:46 PM

I showed a Blackhawk 'Rascals in front of my son's Cub pack a few years ago. The Scoutmaster introduced me with a "faded and scratched" announcement.

-am I ever glad I chose one of my best Blackhawk prints that night!

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Andrew Woodcock
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From: Manchester Uk
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posted March 06, 2017 01:21 PM

He's not wrong Marshall, although I suspect he won't be around to see the LPP ones fade!,😁😁😁

Just like I won't and maybe our kids won't hopefully!!

Many may have another 70 or 80 years left if kept in ideal conditions. Maybe even longer, who knows?

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Brian Fretwell
Phenomenal Film Handler

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From: London, UK
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posted March 06, 2017 02:07 PM

Not to mention B&W films on silver particle (not dye based) stock. How long does it take them to fade?

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Alexander Vandeputte
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From: Belgium
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posted March 06, 2017 02:46 PM

Because in B&W films, negatives and photo's the image is made out of silver-halide particles and no dyes are involved, the image cannot fade.

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Brian Fretwell
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From: London, UK
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posted March 06, 2017 03:06 PM

That's what I meant.

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Osi Osgood
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posted March 07, 2017 12:07 PM

The funny thing is ...

... i've had more of a problem with "disinegration' with black and white film than color. Yeah, some prints color fades over time, but the black and white film stock will actually fall apart or even get that strange "spotting" (I don't know what it's called, but it's a slightly bronze "growth" on the film ... little dots).

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Brian Fretwell
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posted March 07, 2017 02:02 PM

I imagine that's due to inadequate fixing or rinsing of the film in the labs.

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David Hardy
Jedi Master Film Handler

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From: Johnshaven Village , Montrose, Scotland
Registered: Jan 2015

posted March 07, 2017 03:03 PM

Pure Black and White film stock.
Mmmmmmmmm !!! Lovely.

You should see Black and White on "nitrate" stock dangerous to
run but absolutely wonderful.

I think I still have some somewhere among my 35mm films.
That's whats worrying me. I have misplaced it.
Perhaps a fire waiting to happen.

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Tom Photiou
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From: Plymouth U.K
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posted March 07, 2017 04:36 PM

Blimy this guy certainly doesnt know about super 8. This film has been on 8 for years, here is my review on this very forum, look at the colours in my print.
http://8mmforum.film-tech.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=4;t=000581

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Winbert Hutahaean
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posted March 07, 2017 05:09 PM

I believe the color of this print had been like Tom's since the beginning.

Only at that time film was being sold (circa 1970s) this type of colors was a norm, so we did not have any problem with it.

Today, we are trained time by time with picture quality and we are now kind of an expert. Therefore, our eyes will say that this type of color is the fading ones.

This type of phenomenon happens many times with sound, picture and color quality.

I do really remember when the Super VHS was introduced in an exhibition and I said to myself that was the ultimate quality that people could get.

Then we got Laser Disc, DVD, and now BluRay.

With my habit to watch BlurRay, when I return to this SVHS, I talk to myself.....

what sort of picture quality is this!

[Wink]

So it is just like that!

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David Hardy
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From: Johnshaven Village , Montrose, Scotland
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posted March 08, 2017 03:39 AM

I think all we collectors who bought any print of any film on 8mm
should be getting our money back.
After all we did buy them for life not expecting them to fade.
Its a pity that the distributors are no longer with us as I for one would be making a lot of phone calls and writing a lot of
letters to them complaining demanding a refund.

We were 'duped' as they knew they would fade over time when they sold them to us on the film stocks used for printing them.

WHAT A SCAM !!! [Mad]

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Mark Todd
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posted March 08, 2017 04:18 AM

If only LPP went back 5 years further, all those lovely digest`s etc and would have kept prices sensible as well .

Best Mark.

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Andrew Woodcock
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From: Manchester Uk
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posted March 08, 2017 09:04 AM

Bloody Nora David, if you'd like a refund for all your Super8, God help anyone who ever sold you a VHS Video Cassette.

Nowadays a DVD, in 10 years time maximum!

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David Hardy
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posted March 08, 2017 11:19 AM

Cor blimey Andrew.

I would only want a refund for all my faded prints.
All my VHS has been binned because they were cheaper and
not worth the tape they were recorded on.

Either way we were had ... BIGTIME !!! [Wink]

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Mike Newell
Jedi Master Film Handler

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From: United Kingdom
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posted March 08, 2017 04:30 PM

Can we start a class action for refunds I would like to have my viewing time back as well I watched either crap movies The Rose 20 minutes Hawk the Slayer 90 minutes soft print plus many others.

All in all can I have 12 years 3 months 4 days 16 hours and 17 minutes plus £12.56 for the petrol going to watch crud films in other home cinemas.

I'll let you off all the thermofilm because I think the second penis is handy and glowing in the dark is fun.

I'd just like to say Santa Claus 🎅🏾Santa Claus 🎅🏾Santa Claus only 9 months to go

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Andrew Woodcock
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posted March 08, 2017 04:35 PM

We were never "had" David. Some simply want things way beyond what is technically possible given their time period of release.

If you have even a modicum of "feel" for this aspect of life,

There are no complaints!

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Mike Newell
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posted March 08, 2017 04:40 PM

I was had. I only bought The Rose because I was promised rock n roll and sex got Bette Midler singing still traumatised 😥😥😥

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Andrew Woodcock
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posted March 08, 2017 04:42 PM

Should have looked at IMBD of the day Micheal. [Big Grin]

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Graham Ritchie
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posted March 08, 2017 04:44 PM

Look folks nothing last forever certainly we dont, so why worry [Roll Eyes]

you got pleasure out of those films at the time and for many we still do. I would never think of fading prints along the lines that I have been "had" after all look how many years its taken for them to get to that stage.

Films are not a $$$$$ investment, any one thinking along those lines is crazy, enjoy them while you can.. you cant take them when you go, after all there are still lot of films that have not faded...I have heaps...enjoy [Wink]

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Andrew Woodcock
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posted March 08, 2017 04:47 PM

Well said Graham and I'm certain the people spending over £1000 on Star Wars etc, feel exactly the same.

It's merely a calculated 10 year investment and a good one at that if you love film and these type of films!

Good on you I say!!

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Mike Newell
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From: United Kingdom
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posted March 08, 2017 04:48 PM

There wasn't an Internet then Andy. All we had was Page 3, Benny Hill Show and Pans People.👀👀👀👀

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Andrew Woodcock
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posted March 08, 2017 04:50 PM

Loved Pans People but even back then, there was still a way to research the film "The Robe".

I knew even back then, it was never one I ever desired!😁😁

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