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Joe Balitzki
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 - posted March 20, 2017 09:36 AM      Profile for Joe Balitzki     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Sadly, depending on the subject matter I have seen a increase of bad behavior on some forums where it's become like Kindergarten. Sometimes it becomes necessary for the moderators to step in, but it rears its ugly head again in time. While the Internet is a wealth of information for film collectors it also makes it too easy to misbehave. I find it annoying and tiresome especially when threads are hijacked and I avoid certain topics altogether that are known hotbed issues.

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David Roberts
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 - posted March 20, 2017 05:25 PM      Profile for David Roberts     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Doug,
well said and spot on! things have been getting unpleasant here recently and it has to be said,often from UK members.
its a great hobby,but only a hobby,there is no need for this vitriol.

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Brian Fretwell
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Yes and not only recently, Ged from Derann said he didn't post here anymore due to similar things happening to him.

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Robert Tucker
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I know a lot of people like Ged and others who don't bother posting on this forum anymore. I also know people who can't be bothered to go to the many conventions (BFCC included) because of members of this forum who like to be in a clique.

Happy Days!

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Osi Osgood
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 - posted March 21, 2017 11:49 AM      Profile for Osi Osgood   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I LOVE that post Maurice! [Smile]

I agree as well, Doug. Sometimes people do need to be called on the carpet, but I would also suggest that, before a person do so, along with the rules you (Doug), have mentioned, make sure that you have you're point factually grounded ... in fact. No gossips, no "well, he said" ect ect.

... and , (I have to admit that I have done this before, once in a long while), give you're situation enuf time to resolve before going "mad" on forums, I mean, even as the situation is in play.

However, there is good thing about venting about problems on a film forum. Sometimes, it's that extra bit of pressure that might just make a buyer/seller of films, that wouldn't automatically do the right thing, do the right thing, because it's out in the open.

Just do it in a civil manner. [Smile]

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Tom Photiou
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I thought Sanity Clause was a good posting really, i see what you say about not criticising others, fully understand that, but views must be allowed to be expressed as long as the rules are kept. [Wink]

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Douglas Meltzer
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Great replies!

Rule #1 allows for posting difficult experiences with other members (buying/selling, etc.). The problem is that the issue can easily get obscured by insults & name calling or can go off topic by others joining in with comments that don't always apply to the case at hand.

If you should find yourself involved in a film/equipment transaction gone bad, post about it by stating the facts. If others can add something that's truly relevant, they should join in. Hopefully a solution will be reached.

Doug

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Rob Koeling
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The moderator of the silent film boar Nitrateville posted something similar last winter (or the year before). He linked it to the end of winter and people getting a bit grumpy because of a lack of sunlight! I liked that observation.

Patience people, spring has just officially started. Days are getting longer. Time to start thinking of outdoor film parties! Blow the dust of the bbq!

Happy days!

- Rob

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Winbert Hutahaean
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 - posted March 21, 2017 03:53 PM      Profile for Winbert Hutahaean     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
We should add one thing Doug.

This is a film forum, 8mm to be precise.

Apart from the rule#1 you cannot attack a person, members are also not allowed to insult this hobby, just because (e.g) you quit from the hobby or you are no longer able to fullfill (read: buy) more stuff in this hobby.

regards,

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Adrian Winchester
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I'm puzzled if Ged said factors had caused him to stop posting here. Much as I'd welcome his posts (although I see his very interesting writing on Facebook), a search indicates that he only ever posted two (completely non-controversial) messages here.

I'm just as astonished if there are members here who avoid going to conventions because there's a clique of members attending. As someone who goes to many of the conventions, I've never spotted such a clique, but even if I did, I don't see that it would make any difference to my experience. It's easy to spend too much time chatting at conventions, and too little looking at dealer stalls, so not being in a clique would be an advantage!

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Winbert Hutahaean
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I think Doug has clearly stated in the first time:

quote:
Please avoid naming other members if you feel the need to do so
No matter in a positive or negative way.

Ged has been mentioned although not meant in a negative way, but I can see this will become a way to sound the negativity.

A name should not be named. So I hope Doug can rectify this please.

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Terry Sills
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Winbert
What utter rubbish! I can think of no other platform that would hesitate to help other readers to avoid a bad experience than by highlighting their own. We are a Forum primarily dedicated to help others in enjoying the pleasure of film and if a seller/ dealer ,albeit a member, transgresses the basic sensibilities that a normal person expects, then we need to know. What are you afraid of? Ooh - we must not upset anyone?
There is a famous quote that that is becoming ever forgotten because of all the ridiculous political correctness that is forced upon us these days - 'Evil thrives when good men do nothing' Speak out and be damned with the consequences.

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Winbert Hutahaean
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Terry, Doug's statement (which I repeated) was meant only to this particular thread. He says

quote:
I look forward to your replies, however I make two requests. Please avoid naming other members
This means, please do not naming a name if you want to reply in this thread.

For other bad experience with a seller, Doug says

quote:
If you should find yourself involved in a film/equipment transaction gone bad, post about it by stating the facts. If others can add something that's truly relevant, they should join in. Hopefully a solution will be reached.
And I fully agree with it.

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Joseph Randall
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I'm confused why eBay disputes are brought here. I think it is best to allow eBay to settle those rather than this forum.

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Graham Ritchie
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Sorry Tom will have to disagree regarding the topic "Sanity Clause"

Quote from a certain member [Roll Eyes]

""Yes Sane=Rational/Sound Mind and all that psycho-babble while the West sit back and spends hundreds or thousands of pound or dollars on prints in order to be ENTERTAINED in our own home"".

This person also continued his rant with.."...

Quote.. ""While other starve to death along with their children due to famines or war by the greed of the Western Word"".

End of quotes..

Well if that person was so affected by all this on the forum then he should SELL all his films, instead of threatning to later burm them, and donate all $$$$$ from the sales to a charity....but I bet he wont.

This kind of thing being stated on the forum really does tick me off....hence my view that the aim of that topic was no more than stirring...

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Terry Sills
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Winbert
Obviously I misunderstood your post. My apologies and thank you for clarifying it.

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Douglas Meltzer
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 - posted March 22, 2017 11:56 AM      Profile for Douglas Meltzer   Email Douglas Meltzer   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Joseph,

Years ago I felt the same way as you about eBay disputes (why bring them here?), however I've come to feel that in our hobby these things do affect many of us. If there are sellers who misrepresent their prints or buyers that win but consistently don't pay, we should be aware of them.

Doug

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Osi Osgood
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Joseph ...

The reason why some folks (including myself occasionally, but i must say, thankfully, that i haven't had to do it very often), will mention they're ebay experiences on here...

... is because some folks, who are either buyers or seller of film, will use the annonimity of ebay, (as very few actually use thier "reel names" as they're ebay moniker, for instance, my ebay moniker is "reel-ality", CUZ it sounds cool), to attempt to defraud other ebayers/collectors, but by bringing you're issue on here, you might just "pressure" the naughty seller to do the right thing where, otherwise, the bad seller might not do right by the customer. I wish i had been on the forums back when i first started collecting again, as i was ripped off 300 pounds by a UK collector and if I had been on this forum back then, i might have gotten some justice.

Winbert, i loved you're post. I don't understand why ex collectors will come on the forums and complain about film either, suffering from, perhaps "Cine-envy"? [Smile]

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Tom Photiou
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[Wink]

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Joseph Randall
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Doug, Osi,

Good points.

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Tom Photiou
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Not wishing to go off topic, but,
as far as ebay is concerned it should also be remembered that there are good sellers on there, including myself and another forum member, (who i recently purchased Silver dream racer from and its literally new), i do always try and ensure an honest description, unfortunately whats making ebay a lesser place to want to use is the brain deads who are selling but are clearly not at all educated in what they actually have.

Many of us have been a little guilty of a small rant but sometimes i think it can often be read wrong, like a mobile (cellphone) text [Wink]

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Bill Phelps
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Yep same old same old [Frown]

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David Hardy
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My ' Sanity Clause ' posting was intended to be taken lightly
and with a certain degree of humour and satire.

In fact ' tongue in cheek " really.

Therefore no offence or stirring it up intended.

It must be my wicked Scottish sense of humour being misunderstood.

However it did get some good replies that were worthy of some
reflection on this unique hobby of ours.
Thanks guys.
[Smile] [Smile] [Smile]

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Alan Rik
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This is us!

“It reminds me of that old joke- you know, a guy walks into a psychiatrist's office and says, hey doc, my brother's crazy! He thinks he's a chicken. Then the doc says, why don't you turn him in? Then the guy says, I would but I need the eggs. I guess that's how I feel about relationships. They're totally crazy, irrational, and absurd, but we keep going through it because we need the eggs.”

Woody Allen

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David Hardy
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Good one Alan.
I heard it before but its still a good one anyway. [Smile] [Smile] [Smile]

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