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Ricky Daniels
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- posted May 13, 2012 01:21 PM      Profile for Ricky Daniels     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
PAY ATTENTION NOW!

The 13th could be lucky for you!!

I've just spent the weekend sorting through boxes of films that have remained unopened since I moved house almost 5 years ago! I know!!

Anyway to my surprise I have unearthed a German Super 8mm Feature Length print of STAR WARS: THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK that's been painstakingly re-recorded in ENGLISH STEREO by non other than ex.BBC Film Editor and Super 8mm guru Mr Keith Wilton.

It's mounted on 2x 1200 foot spools, it's CinemaScope and LOW FADE Colour.

Okay now I know this is a much sort after title so to be fair I'm giving all those who wish to purchase this film an equal opportunity to add it to their collection.

Therefore in order to do so I am accepting EMAIL OFFERS ONLY on this title, the highest offer made over my personal £900 reserve price by Sunday 20th May 2012 will secure this feature film and STAR WARS: THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK will be theirs.

Interested collectors should email their offer to rickyd2001 (at) hotmail (dot) com and substitute the bracketed words with the relevant characters, it's done like that to elevate spam emails [Wink]

In your email subject field please enter THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK followed by YOUR OFFER ABOVE MY RESERVE .

This is not a title for bargain hunters [Roll Eyes] so sensible offers only please above my reserve and good luck to you all.

The lucky bidder will be contacted on 21st May 2012

Exciting stuff [Big Grin]

All the Best,
Rick

[ May 14, 2012, 03:16 AM: Message edited by: Ricky Daniels ]

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Osi Osgood
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- posted May 13, 2012 02:31 PM      Profile for Osi Osgood   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Wow! My print (on ebay) is a great deal compared to yours, (being over 1,400.00 US dollars at 900.00 pounds!)and much more exceedingly rare...

But I wish you the absolute best in selling it! [Smile]

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Adam Deierling
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- posted May 13, 2012 03:47 PM      Profile for Adam Deierling   Email Adam Deierling   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Finally the one I'm looking for! Sadly Way too much money [Frown]

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Ricky Daniels
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- posted May 14, 2012 09:28 AM      Profile for Ricky Daniels     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Wow! Nice plug for your own eBay sale there Osi, though not quite true being originally listed for way more than this STEREO SOUND & LOW FADE print...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Empire-Strikes-Back-scope-feature-Super-8-color-snd-RARE-/320893610187?pt=US_Film&hash=item4ab6bfe8cb

…and not to mention the Buy it Now price!

Anyway thanks for using my sales thread to promote your own sale, nice one Osi!

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Oemer Yalinkilic
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- posted May 14, 2012 12:47 PM      Profile for Oemer Yalinkilic   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
How much take CHC for a brand new print of Empire?
More than 900 Pound?
900 Pound = $1449 = 1128 Euro

[ May 14, 2012, 02:05 PM: Message edited by: Oemer Yalinkilic ]

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Osi Osgood
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- posted May 14, 2012 01:21 PM      Profile for Osi Osgood   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hee hee, I couldn't help it, and it doesn't help anyhow, I think were into a phase of, "Hey, I better hold onto my cash, I have no idea what's coming down the pike worldwide" period, and that affects everybodys sales ...

That, and then all those annoying people (well, ,as far as I'm concerned) that hold out and think, "He's going to drop the price, he's going to drop the price!" and then, if you drop the price, they continue to watch, saying, "He'll drop it more, he'll drop it more!

Well, I guess if I was desperate, I probably would drop it, but I'm thankfully not.

It'll swing back around and as far as I my print is concerned, if my music does take off in the near future, I'll take down my auction for "Empire" and place it back into my collection proper, as I really would rather not sell it, and I would still therefore have the most rare of editions of this film on super 8. It isn't something really to part with.

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Adam Deierling
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- posted May 14, 2012 03:35 PM      Profile for Adam Deierling   Email Adam Deierling   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
New prints from CHC go for 500 pounds or so.

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Oemer Yalinkilic
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- posted May 15, 2012 02:40 AM      Profile for Oemer Yalinkilic   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I understand that price for Star Wars and Return of Jedi rise up because you can´t get no more new prints. I also understand the price for Osi`s print but the German Empire prints are still avilable.
Another question, is it allow on this forum to sell something without a fixed price?

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Ricky Daniels
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- posted May 15, 2012 03:59 AM      Profile for Ricky Daniels     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Oemer, Good luck getting a new print struck! [Wink]

Being realistic this is 2012 and not the 1980's/90's and the way film labs are going it won't be too long before they stop printing altogether as the push to digital delivery continues to gain momentum and film stock prices continue to escalate. That's not an uneducated comment being indirectly employed by one of the world largest film labs who are heavily investing in digital delivery. [Eek!]

Of course anyone wishing to order a print will need to have a 'friend' purchase one as well because 2 prints will need to be ordered due to printing in pairs. And very good luck getting it recorded in to English Stereo and synced to the pre-print material, I recall Keith saying this title is a nightmare to re-record due to irregularities in the pre-print material. [Mad]

Thanks to those offers already received, I’m grateful for your interest but as stated please no bargain hunters, if you think you can get it cheaper then I wish you very good luck in your quest. [Cool]

On a different subject following my weekend of ‘unboxing’ I’ve realised I have quite a few Derann Features (many of them brand new or only run once!) that are surplus to my requirements and will put a list together over the next few days.

So anyone wishing to purchase Super 8mm features please drop me an email requesting the list and I’ll mail it out once compiled. [Smile]

Best,
Rick

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Oemer Yalinkilic
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- posted May 15, 2012 04:35 AM      Profile for Oemer Yalinkilic   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
The price difference between a new struck print and your print is not the problem. It´s not fair to make an offer like a auction for the highest bider.
This is on other forums (35mm Forum, 16mm Filmtalk) forbidden.
I´m not sure if it is here allowed.

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Ricky Daniels
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- posted May 15, 2012 05:25 AM      Profile for Ricky Daniels     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Oemer,

I thought I was being fair!

If you want to alienate sellers and limit further the amout of 8mm material available to collectors you are going the right way about it... maybe think on that a while.

Best,
Rick

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Oemer Yalinkilic
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- posted May 15, 2012 06:32 AM      Profile for Oemer Yalinkilic   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Ricky, as I wrote "the price" is not the problem, I think you are not a unfair seller, but this kind of listing is not fair. Why you don´t say a fixed price?
In the past I saw your large sale list and the prices for your prints was ok for every title, except Master and Commander and Return of the Jedi. You do the same like now, not a fixed price, only best offer over 500.
I´m sorry but in my opinion is a forum the wrong place for listing like a auction. In this case is ebay more fair.
Please do not think that I want criticise your price, it is only your kind of offer. Maybe I´m wrong and this is ok for other forum members this is only my opinion and I´m realy sorry if I faulted your sale.
regards
Oemer

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Hugh Thompson Scott
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- posted May 15, 2012 08:03 AM      Profile for Hugh Thompson Scott   Email Hugh Thompson Scott       Edit/Delete Post 
I can see both sides of this discussion,and both have valid points.
Therefore would it not be better if Ricky wants to sell his film for
the optimum price,which he has every right to do,then he can
do the sealed bid routine by offering the film in the "offers in the region of",then if anyone wants it they put in their highest bid,
the film is theirs.It's no different to having a set price and being
"pipped at the post",which used to be a way of life for me.I can't
see why this shouldn't work,it did in the past for me,when the
late Harry Nadler,offered up "When Dinosaurs Ruled The Earth"
IB TECH on 16mm,I put in my bid £50.00 above the start price
and nailed it.So if you want something bad enough,you have to
nail your colours to the mast.

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Osi Osgood
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- posted May 15, 2012 12:48 PM      Profile for Osi Osgood   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
BOY! You got a deal on that print Hugh! Was the print in great shape? (I know we're a little off the topic, but Hugh perked my interest! Blame Hugh! [Smile] )

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Michael O'Regan
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- posted May 15, 2012 02:14 PM      Profile for Michael O'Regan   Email Michael O'Regan   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hey chaps, whatever the pros and cons of posting prices or not, it's a little unfair to hijack Ricky's sale thread.

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Hugh Thompson Scott
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- posted May 15, 2012 02:48 PM      Profile for Hugh Thompson Scott   Email Hugh Thompson Scott       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi Osi,refer to your own topic "Yah my new find" to continue.

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Osi Osgood
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- posted May 16, 2012 01:07 PM      Profile for Osi Osgood   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I would, but this does not refer to that topic, (snicker) and once again, all the best on selling this print Ricky! (there, right back to the subject!) [Smile]

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Ricky Daniels
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- posted May 16, 2012 05:30 PM      Profile for Ricky Daniels     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Michael, Thanks for your support and common sense. I see no reasons why anyone would wish to comment on anyone elses sales.

Kindly keep your comments to yourselves if you are not interested in an item for sale, after all would you step in and make disparaging comments on a potential sale in any other sales situation???? How rude if you feel this is acceptable behaviour!

[ May 16, 2012, 07:00 PM: Message edited by: Ricky Daniels ]

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Bill Brandenstein
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- posted May 16, 2012 09:38 PM      Profile for Bill Brandenstein   Email Bill Brandenstein   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hey Ricky, I wish you all the best in your sales, but would you please bear in mind this is a public discussion for anyone in the world to see and chime in! Community is what makes this place fun! So far as the auction-style approach, well, if the moderators don't have a problem with this, then does it matter what anyone else thinks?

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Douglas Meltzer
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- posted May 16, 2012 10:31 PM      Profile for Douglas Meltzer   Email Douglas Meltzer   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
While fixed prices are preferred, we don't delete sales where an offer has been requested. Auctions are not allowed here. Ricky has stated his minimum price and asked for offers above that. He did not say he was going to then list the highest offer made and ask for higher bids. That wouldn't be allowed.

Doug

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Bill Brandenstein
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- posted May 17, 2012 12:22 AM      Profile for Bill Brandenstein   Email Bill Brandenstein   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
So everything's cool. Thank you, Doug!

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Oemer Yalinkilic
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- posted May 17, 2012 02:45 PM      Profile for Oemer Yalinkilic   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I´m sorry

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Douglas Meltzer
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- posted May 17, 2012 03:06 PM      Profile for Douglas Meltzer   Email Douglas Meltzer   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Oemer,

There's nothing to apologize for. You were checking policy and as Bill said, you are allowed to chime in!

Ricky,

Best of luck with the sale!

Doug

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Ricky Daniels
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- posted May 18, 2012 03:23 AM      Profile for Ricky Daniels     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi Douglas,

Many thanks for your clarification and wishes although it is very unconventional that members are allowed to express opinions on what amounts to a private transaction. If members are not interested in following up on an item listed For Sale that should be the end of it for them, why do they feel the need to make comment, it wouldn't happen in the real world if they were not directly involved in a transaction.

Indeed I am a member of two classic car websites and any member offering a classic vehicle For Sale does not have to endure other members pointing out to fellow members for example the shortcomings of the members vehicle on offer e.g. ‘Not original colours’, ‘Wrong hood mascot for the year’, ‘I have one listed that's cheaper’, etc, etc, it just isn't tolerated and is considered poor form and bad manners. So why is it tolerated on here, public forum or not?

I’ve often felt bad for members who list items For Sale only to see their listing swamped by ridiculous replies from members who have no intention to purchase often to the point where the thread goes completely off topic and the poor sellers item becomes forgotten about.

My feeling is an item listed for sale should be the end of a thread with any further communications conducted in private between the seller and interested member(s), with the seller allowed to add to their listing if further details become available.

I’m strongly considering never selling a film through this forum again. I know for certain that other members have felt the same in the past and no longer use the forum as an outlet for their items due to this type of conduct and as a consequence limiting further the amount of film available to collectors.

Best,
Rick

[ May 18, 2012, 04:30 AM: Message edited by: Ricky Daniels ]

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Thomas Smith
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- posted May 18, 2012 04:22 AM      Profile for Thomas Smith     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
i must agree with rick, and that also goes for wanted posts
no offers but loads of comments with regards to the post i.e
was it avalable on super 8mm or i have a great print but i
would never part with it [Confused]

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