Selecting a projector for both formats

[Shane C. Collins]

Thanks Shane! At first I wanted to buy Eumig mark 610D. I liked the one-second format switching and slow speeds. I started looking for reviews and found this forum, the old version. After reading about it on the forum, I changed my mind about buying it.
What are some good Eumig projectors without sound, for both formats or for one of them?

There are several silent models Eumig made back in the old days. Two that come to mind are the Eumig Mark 8 that is a dual gauge machine. The other is the Eumig Mark M that plays silent Super 8. Both use twist-to-focus 32.5 mm lenses, and 100 watt FCR halogen bulbs. I had the Mark M and liked it for the most part. The full auto loading mechanism works most of the time, but can be finicky as well. I much prefer the semi auto loading on the early Eumig machines like the 701 and 709. Remember you can run silent films on these early sound machines with the heads retracted. These sound machines are well equipment to play both. I think of these projectors as silent/sound combination machines. You could own one and never run a sound film. They are certainly fine for that purpose.

[Vitali Vadim]

Thanks Shane! At first I wanted to buy Eumig mark 610D. I liked the one-second format switching and slow speeds. I started looking for reviews and found this forum, the old version. After reading about it on the forum, I changed my mind about buying it.
What are some good Eumig projectors without sound, for both formats or for one of them?

[Shane C. Collins]

Yes, the selector is red! I want to be interested in Sankyo 1000H or 2000H. Does he have sprockets?
How good is this projector compared to earlier models like the Eumig S709 or others?

The Sanyko 1000H uses the spaceman bulb, and the 2000H uses a regular 100 watt halogen. Both are sprocket-less in design, and use a rubber roller to feed the film into the gate. I had two 2000H over the years. They projected a nice steady image, but the lens used for these models is a 1.4 and not very sharp or bright. They do not compare in quality to the 709 or other early Eumig projectors. The Eumigs are all metal construction, while the Sankyo is all plastic. However, I will say the Sankyo's are built well with film safety in mind. They are good for film transfers, etc. But for a full presentation they are not so well adapted for this kind of use. The focusing is all very sloppy compared to the twist-to-focus of the early Eumig's, there's no comparison.

[Vitali Vadim]

Yes, the selector is red! I want to be interested in Sankyo 1000H or 2000H. Does he have sprockets?
How good is this projector compared to earlier models like the Eumig S709 or others?

[Shane C. Collins]

They offer me Bolex 18-5 for regular 8mm in very good condition. The original belt is damaged. He installed a round belt. When viewed in reverse, the belt comes off. Is it worth buying it at a low price? Is it possible to find an original belt on ebay?
It seems there is an 8 volt 50 watt lamp there. This could be a problem!

If the Bolex 18-5 is the first model with the red selector dial I would pass. This model only uses one belt which cannot be found online. Bolex quickly replaced this model with the 3 belt setup around 1962. This 18-5 has the white or other light colored selector dial. The 3 belt set can be found online, and at a decent price. I just recently bought a Bolex 18-5 Automatic from the mid 60's. This machine has automatic threading through the gate and to the second sprocket, then manually after that. The spaceman bulb generally lasts quite a long time. I have yet to find one that has burned out. If you can find a model with a prime lens they will yield a bright image on screen even with the 50 watt bulb. I have 2 spare spaceman bulbs that should last the life of my machine into the future. I will only be using the 18-5 for occasional projection, and not as my main machine. They are quite fun to use, and very reliable. The rear sprung pressure plate will provide even focus thru an entire reel. Paul Adsett also likes these early Bolexes, and has one in his collection. Below is a link to show you the 18-5 I have in my collection.

http://www.bolexcollector.com/projectors/185auto.html

[Vitali Vadim]

They offer me Bolex 18-5 for regular 8mm in very good condition. The original belt is damaged. He installed a round belt. When viewed in reverse, the belt comes off. Is it worth buying it at a low price? Is it possible to find an original belt on ebay?
It seems there is an 8 volt 50 watt lamp there. This could be a problem!

[Shane C. Collins]

I saw a 712D that sold at an auction site for $44.00 recently.

This model is not the most desirable for several reasons. While it looks a lot like the 701 & 709 it uses one of those 50 watt "spaceman" bulbs, instead of the FCR 100 watt halogen used on the 701 & 709. I also suspect this was the first transistorized model, being released in 1969. The one positive is the fact it uses the same film path design as the 701/709, semi auto-loading. Plus the focusing is also the same with twist-to-focus. But those are the only two positives I can think of. Here are a few photos showing the 712, 701, and 709 for comparison.

[Shane C. Collins]

The photo with the S709 advertisement has an interesting price)). Where was the projector sold at that price? The written speed is 15-25 frames! All projector databases indicate fixed 18 and 24 frames!

The fixed 18 fps is set at the bottom of the switch, and 24 fps at the top. I believe you can slide the switch slightly up or down to change to a different speed, but you also have to change the 50/60 cycle black flag in the back near the motor. This changes the position of the ball against those rubber discs. I think I am explaining this correctly.

[Vitali Vadim]

The photo with the S709 advertisement has an interesting price)). Where was the projector sold at that price? The written speed is 15-25 frames! All projector databases indicate fixed 18 and 24 frames!

[Shane C. Collins]

well, Shane, I may be in for more than that because very few sellers have the means to fully test what they sell when it comes to old analog film equipment. Fingers crossed that the caps and tubes are still good. Also I'll have to buy a power cord. Van Eck has them. Do you think the 18mm prime lens they offer at Van Eck that fits this model is an upgrade over the standard zoom lens?

The 18mm prime is a 1.6 lens which means it won't be as bright on screen. I would go for the 1.1 25mm prime lens. I have this one and like it a lot. Very bright, and sharp. My friend Joseph Banfield also has this lens and likes it!

https://van-eck.net/en/product/objec...-used-ls-0258/

[Todd Kitchen]

well, Shane, I may be in for more than that because very few sellers have the means to fully test what they sell when it comes to old analog film equipment. Fingers crossed that the caps and tubes are still good. Also I'll have to buy a power cord. Van Eck has them. Do you think the 18mm prime lens they offer at Van Eck that fits this model is an upgrade over the standard zoom lens?

[Shane C. Collins]

Shane C. Collins Great News!! I just purchased a 709 on ebay for £33.00. It says it lights up but doesn't move but I bet that's broken motor mounts, which I know how to repair. I recently restored a Mark S 802, so I'm pretty confident I can fix up this 709 pretty easily. I'm hoping to fix the 709 and keep it for myself. Then I'll sell the 802 for a good price because (unlike most sellers of film gear), I will be able to provide video of it playing a sound film at the right speed, etc.

There were a couple of auctions for these--I picked this one because it includes the front cover with all the necessary components nestled inside to convert from standard to super 8 and back.

Todd that's excellent news! Glad to hear you found a 709. I'm sure once you address the motor mounts, and recondition the rubber drive discs you'll enjoy using the 709! Keep us updated on your progress once you get the machine up to specs! Welcome to the early Eumig club!...

[Joseph Banfield]

Can you remove the film before it gets to the end if you need to with the mark s 709 as this can’t be done with the 800 series machines ?.

Yes, and also with the Mark S (standard 8 and Super 8) as well as the Mark S 709 and the Mark S 701.

[Todd Kitchen]

Shane C. Collins Great News!! I just purchased a 709 on ebay for £33.00. It says it lights up but doesn't move but I bet that's broken motor mounts, which I know how to repair. I recently restored a Mark S 802, so I'm pretty confident I can fix up this 709 pretty easily. I'm hoping to fix the 709 and keep it for myself. Then I'll sell the 802 for a good price because (unlike most sellers of film gear), I will be able to provide video of it playing a sound film at the right speed, etc.

There were a couple of auctions for these--I picked this one because it includes the front cover with all the necessary components nestled inside to convert from standard to super 8 and back.

[Kim Trampus]

I saw a 712D that sold at an auction site for $44.00 recently.